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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
That's a very bold statement.
What kind of medication are you taking, and is it readily available in Korea? 
Just looked at the link. It's all supposition.
So, got any facts? |
Its well known that Koreans first invented movable metal type and middle eastern traders and mongols most likely transported the ideas to major trading centers around the world.
In 1997, Time Life magazine picked movable printing presses as the most important invention in global history.
Thank you Korea! |
"Most likely"--more supposition.
But kudos for finally supporting a statement.
And thank you, Johannes Gutenberg! |
Well, the Mongols ruled Europe at the time. Most of the European renaissance was as a result of the Mongol invasion which left Europe in shock and desperate for outside knowledge and technology. Europe was backwards, technologically inferior. It was the Africa of the Eurasian contnent. Of that outside knowledge, the Korean movable metal printing press is the most important it seems.
Occams Razor my friend. Thank the Mongols for opening the doors. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Im sorry Jongno, but I think you may be getting your facts mixed up a little bit here?
Yes, korea invented the printing press and yes the Mongols invade Europe.
However, the Mongols took with them little of their culture and left more of a trail of 'DNA' (is probably the most polite way of putting it) and devastation.
I think what youre suggesting, that the mongols were lugging around printing presses and other cultural treasures so that they could impart their wisdom and knowledge as well as trade with other nations, is a little away from the facts.
Anyway, I dont think the mongols even wrote which is why we have very little evidence for their history. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
That's a very bold statement.
What kind of medication are you taking, and is it readily available in Korea?
Just looked at the link. It's all supposition.
So, got any facts? |
Its well known that Koreans first invented movable metal type and middle eastern traders and mongols most likely transported the ideas to major trading centers around the world.
In 1997, Time Life magazine picked movable printing presses as the most important invention in global history.
Thank you Korea! |
"Most likely"--more supposition.
But kudos for finally supporting a statement.
And thank you, Johannes Gutenberg! |
Well, the Mongols ruled Europe at the time. Most of the European renaissance was as a result of the Mongol invasion which left Europe in shock and desperate for outside knowledge and technology. Europe was backwards, technologically inferior. It was the Africa of the Eurasian contnent. Of that outside knowledge, the Korean movable metal printing press is the most important it seems.
Occams Razor my friend. Thank the Mongols for opening the doors. |
And Europe wasnt backwards at the time of the Mongolian invasions either - broken in terms of direction and leadership yes, but not backwards. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
Im sorry Jongno, but I think you may be getting your facts mixed up a little bit here?
Yes, korea invented the printing press and yes the Mongols invade Europe.
However, the Mongols took with them little of their culture and left more of a trail of 'DNA' (is probably the most polite way of putting it) and devastation.
I think what youre suggesting, that the mongols were lugging around printing presses and other cultural treasures so that they could impart their wisdom and knowledge as well as trade with other nations, is a little away from the facts.
Anyway, I dont think the mongols even wrote which is why we have very little evidence for their history. |
A lot of Europeans were like " these mongol asians have fire coming from these cannons and sticks... Marco polo can you go investigate?"
Many many variations of this ensued... |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
That's a very bold statement.
What kind of medication are you taking, and is it readily available in Korea?
Just looked at the link. It's all supposition.
So, got any facts? |
Its well known that Koreans first invented movable metal type and middle eastern traders and mongols most likely transported the ideas to major trading centers around the world.
In 1997, Time Life magazine picked movable printing presses as the most important invention in global history.
Thank you Korea! |
"Most likely"--more supposition.
But kudos for finally supporting a statement.
And thank you, Johannes Gutenberg! |
Well, the Mongols ruled Europe at the time. Most of the European renaissance was as a result of the Mongol invasion which left Europe in shock and desperate for outside knowledge and technology. Europe was backwards, technologically inferior. It was the Africa of the Eurasian contnent. Of that outside knowledge, the Korean movable metal printing press is the most important it seems.
Occams Razor my friend. Thank the Mongols for opening the doors. |
We have been through this already. Mongols never ruled Europe. I corrected you and now you are spouting it again. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| Yes, korea invented the printing press and yes the Mongols invade Europe. |
The Mongols did not invade Europe, and the Koreans (most emphatically) did not invent the printing press.
Double fail. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't bother arguing with J2B, he's a pathetic troll who has nothing better to do but try to rile people up on a message board. You're wasting your time responding to him. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
That's a very bold statement.
What kind of medication are you taking, and is it readily available in Korea?
Just looked at the link. It's all supposition.
So, got any facts? |
Its well known that Koreans first invented movable metal type and middle eastern traders and mongols most likely transported the ideas to major trading centers around the world.
In 1997, Time Life magazine picked movable printing presses as the most important invention in global history.
Thank you Korea! |
"Most likely"--more supposition.
But kudos for finally supporting a statement.
And thank you, Johannes Gutenberg! |
Well, the Mongols ruled Europe at the time. Most of the European renaissance was as a result of the Mongol invasion which left Europe in shock and desperate for outside knowledge and technology. Europe was backwards, technologically inferior. It was the Africa of the Eurasian contnent. Of that outside knowledge, the Korean movable metal printing press is the most important it seems.
Occams Razor my friend. Thank the Mongols for opening the doors. |
We have been through this already. Mongols never ruled Europe. I corrected you and now you are spouting it again. |
Europeans never saw gunpowder before the Mongol invasion. Byw, Mongols did rule Eastern europe and the eastern orthodoxy empire at the time.
Thats why Marco Polo went on his fact finding mission. His was one of hundreds if not thousands of fact finding missions it seems.
History is indeed a complicated subject. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't bother arguing with J2B, he's a pathetic troll who has nothing better to do but try to rile people up on a message board. You're wasting your time responding to him. |
Why would talking about the invasion of the mongols all over eurasia rile people up?
Is it because the Mongols look Asian? Can you clarify? Im confused |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Hokie21 wrote: |
| Don't bother arguing with J2B, he's a pathetic troll who has nothing better to do but try to rile people up on a message board. You're wasting your time responding to him. |
Heh, you basically asked the board to cease to exist. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Mix1,
Totally agree. I've heard the boasting and self-agrandizing (sp?), too. I just recognize it for what it is and ignore it. No big deal to me.
I have taught a class on Western food. I love teaching about saurkraut. I go into great lengths about how you pickle the cabbage and why there are certain naturally occurring bacteria on cabbage, which make it especially easy to ferment. Some students minds are blown; others take it in stride. |
Yup, I had the same reaction - even brought some in.
Last week, the mind blowing lesson was that Choco Pie was not a Korean invention. I showed them pics of wagon wheels and moon pies, and when they were created, and it blew. their. minds. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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SR brought national aggression into the thread a bit bizarrely and tried to paint a picture of Koreans as a peaceful innocent people - always the victims of others aggression....hah!
As others said look North to see the most vicious long running modern dictatorship the world has seen - and only 27 years ago the South was a brutal right wing military dictatorship too. I dread to think what the Koreans would have been like as an expansionist colonialist force...but oh lets look at the one chance they did get involved in a war of aggression - The Vietnam War - the ROK forces were often singled out as the most sadistic brutal aggressors of the US allies...
http://patrick.guenin2.free.fr/cantho/vnnews/korea.htm
Nice try SR but the Koreans have the capacity for inflicting death and mayhem as much as anyone given the right circumstances.
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| Yes, korea invented the printing press and yes the Mongols invade Europe. |
The Mongols did not invade Europe, and the Koreans (most emphatically) did not invent the printing press.
Double fail. |
Wrong. Mongol forces did conquer southern Finland,Poland, and Hungarian plains. Korea has the earliest books printed by movable metal types that is known to exist. Song China was using wooden movable types long before that.
As for what has Korea done: as long as you see things in European perspective, it'll always be none. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| Yes, korea invented the printing press and yes the Mongols invade Europe. |
The Mongols did not invade Europe, and the Koreans (most emphatically) did not invent the printing press.
Double fail. |
Wrong...Korea has the earliest books printed by movable metal types that is known to exist. |
Really, is it so difficult to stay on topic? The point was that Korea did not invent the printing press. China did. Whether or not Korea has the oldest books made from metal type is neither here nor there. They did not invent the printing press. The Chinese did. And if the Chinese had not invented it, Koreans would have had nothing to add metal parts to. Now, would they? They'd have all these metal parts lying about the floor and one impatient chap would say: "I wish the Chinese would get off their arses and invent the printing press already. These metal thingies are going to start rusting. And I've got boxes of them. Is it too much to ask the Chinese to invent the printing press so we can add our little metal letters to it and call it Korean?" Yes, replies his friend. "The Chinese are very lazy. Not like the industrious Korean people." "Yes, my friend. Korean people are very diligent and genius. Did we not invent the printing press?"
Koreans simply did what they always do. Add to inventions made by non-Koreans. Saying the printing press is Korean is about as sound a historical statement as saying K-pop is a Korean dance form.
Anything else you'd like us to consider? Or was that it? |
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