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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| I have no idea about schools, but all the company workers I know have those medical check ups. |
You have to do it to keep your insurance.
Government workers get them for free as part of their compensation.
j2b, that wasn't you vomiting all over the nurse and floor the last time I had my checkup was it? You know you're not supposed to eat the night before. |
It was a puddle of heaving spit. And dood, if you were in that room you were getting it too bud. Haha
I felt like i could understand what a rape victim goes through. Well maybe 10%. I wanted to be angry, but i felt so violated i was too ashamed to be angry. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| It's not horrific at all. You lie on your side, they put the strap around your head to keep your mouth open, inject you with some sedative and you wake up 20 minutes later in the recovery room. |
Its not good to get sleeping sedative. Any time you get sedated, there is a small chance you might not wake up. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
| It's not horrific at all. You lie on your side, they put the strap around your head to keep your mouth open, inject you with some sedative and you wake up 20 minutes later in the recovery room. |
Its not good to get sleeping sedative. Any time you get sedated, there is a small chance you might not wake up. |
Yes, that's true. But if you are of normal health and younger than 65 the risk is something like 2-3 per million.
Fark getting a tube shoved down your throat while awake, or a tube up the bum for the colonoscopy. I'll take my chances with the anesthetic. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to agree with J2B, who right now is making me look like a moderate, but Plenty of F-visas have to do the tests as well. If you work for a public school, regardless of visa, you have to do the tests. |
In the spring of 2012, the entire non-Korean foreign staff at my hagwon had to go for AIDS testing. People who were racially Korean were exempt. We had all been AIDS tested already for our work visas, but we had to all get tested again. A few months after that, I had to be tested again.
My father is white and I can't think of any policy in the USA where he and I are not treated as equals. You and I are also citizens of the USA. We're treated the same in the eyes of the US law, but we're treated differently in the eyes of South Korean law, and it's based solely on race. That's why I don't buy your arguments.
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I don't know about your case specifically, but there are legal regulations requiring people on E-2 visas to have checks. The E-2 visa is not a racial visa. People of any ethnicity, including Korean, may be an E-2, provided they come from one the English teaching nations. It is a pre-requisite for entry.
Now, what your hagwon did may or may not be part of that, but your hagwon is not an instrument of the Korean government, it is a private business and this may or may not be legal, but it does not represent the official policy of the Korean government. Your hagwon is but a singular institution, it does not represent every hagwon or the visa policy.
F-series visa holders may also be of any ethnicity, provided they are not Korean citizens. They may or may not have to do certain health checks. Different priviliges and obligations exist for different visa holders, just like in any nation. As I mentioned, ALL public school employees, including foreign teachers on E-2s or F-4 or any other F-series visa, MUST have physical exams.
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I'm actually satisfied with my E-2 visa, but at the same time it gets old reading guys who racially qualify for better visas preach down to the rest of us on Dave's about the superiority of Koreans in race relations and so on. It's like listening to George Wallace speeches from 1963. |
And it gets old hearing people compare their situation in Korea to Jim Crow in the Deep South. It also gets old hearing people say that those of us who are Korean are wrong for talking about things non-Koreans face here, but freely comment on how wonderful things are back home and dismiss the opinions of minorities who object as overblown whining.
And I don't see any of these total equality advocates promoting conscription of foreigners into the Korean military. After all with equal rights comes equal responsibility and vice-versa. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Its already accepted as the most plausible by most academics and Navajo themselves. |
No, it isn't. Google it. What comes up? Menzies and Menzies related sites. A few people's personal websites and a bunch of yahoo answers. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
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Its already accepted as the most plausible by most academics and Navajo themselves. |
No, it isn't. Google it. What comes up? Menzies and Menzies related sites. A few people's personal websites and a bunch of yahoo answers. |
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=77461
The Bering strait in 2012, as recorded by Nasa. Connecting Asia and America
Clearly you can see why a land ice bridge existed even as temperatures are much higher than even 100 years ago. Its quite accepted that Inuits and Navajo are Asians who crossed the Bering Strait,
Occams Razor = often the simplest answer is the correct one. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| And it gets old hearing people compare their situation in Korea to Jim Crow in the Deep South. |
It does in the same way that it gets old hearing comparing people's experiences in Korea to rural Michigan. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
| Jongno2bucheon wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
| It's not horrific at all. You lie on your side, they put the strap around your head to keep your mouth open, inject you with some sedative and you wake up 20 minutes later in the recovery room. |
Its not good to get sleeping sedative. Any time you get sedated, there is a small chance you might not wake up. |
Yes, that's true. But if you are of normal health and younger than 65 the risk is something like 2-3 per million.
Fark getting a tube shoved down your throat while awake, or a tube up the bum for the colonoscopy. I'll take my chances with the anesthetic. |
I take it your from Spain or something?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533536/Parents-girl-left-brain-dead-routine-tonsil-surgery-WIN-fight-alive-ventilator.html
a girl in California went under sedatives for a tonsilectomy and died from a coma
this was quite a well publicized death in the states |
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atwood
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Woah that sounds so funky. I feel like im tokin at some summer lake at a bonfire or summthin with a 70s chevy truck haha |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| And it gets old hearing people compare their situation in Korea to Jim Crow in the Deep South. |
It does in the same way that it gets old hearing comparing people's experiences in Korea to rural Michigan. |
I'm not from rural Michigan. I was born in Ann Arbor, considered one of the best cities in America, and one of the most diverse cities in America.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-often-placed-on-top-ten-lists/
Now its not always rosy, and right next to Ann Arbor is Pittsfield and Ypsilanti, where I lived when I was in college, and are not great towns, but Ann Arbor is certainly no bumpkin town. It was also a town with a vibrant Korean community that included 7 Korean churches, 7 Korean restaurants, 3 Noraebangs, and 3 Korean groceries.
Instead of getting off the plane and wondering who these weird people are, some of us you know, actually got to know a lot of them first. So yeah, talking about experiences back home is relevant to Korea. |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| byrddogs wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| And it gets old hearing people compare their situation in Korea to Jim Crow in the Deep South. |
It does in the same way that it gets old hearing comparing people's experiences in Korea to rural Michigan. |
I'm not from rural Michigan. I was born in Ann Arbor, considered one of the best cities in America, and one of the most diverse cities in America.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-often-placed-on-top-ten-lists/
Now its not always rosy, and right next to Ann Arbor is Pittsfield and Ypsilanti, where I lived when I was in college, and are not great towns, but Ann Arbor is certainly no bumpkin town. It was also a town with a vibrant Korean community that included 7 Korean churches, 7 Korean restaurants, 3 Noraebangs, and 3 Korean groceries.
Instead of getting off the plane and wondering who these weird people are, some of us you know, actually got to know a lot of them first. So yeah, talking about experiences back home is relevant to Korea. |
Steelrails:
Are you not an Adoptee? Were you born to a Korean lassie who was in Ann Arbor to study at Univ. of Michigan or for some other reason? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| And it gets old hearing people compare their situation in Korea to Jim Crow in the Deep South. |
It does in the same way that it gets old hearing comparing people's experiences in Korea to rural Michigan. |
I'm not from rural Michigan. I was born in Ann Arbor, considered one of the best cities in America, and one of the most diverse cities in America.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-arbor-often-placed-on-top-ten-lists/
Now its not always rosy, and right next to Ann Arbor is Pittsfield and Ypsilanti, where I lived when I was in college, and are not great towns, but Ann Arbor is certainly no bumpkin town. It was also a town with a vibrant Korean community that included 7 Korean churches, 7 Korean restaurants, 3 Noraebangs, and 3 Korean groceries.
Instead of getting off the plane and wondering who these weird people are, some of us you know, actually got to know a lot of them first. So yeah, talking about experiences back home is relevant to Korea. |
Thanks for the clarification. I'd just assumed by your posts about growing up on a farm that it was rural. My mistake. That doesn't change much, though as your comparisons are to a little college town. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Ann Arbor is not just any little college town. The University of Michigan is one of the most prestigious public universities in America and Ann Arbor is one of the most diverse cities in America. The biggest sports stadium in North America is in Ann Arbor, capacity 110,000. It's also right next to Detroit and its metropolitan area, about the distance of Ansan to Seoul.
I don't think you'd get to see Sir Patrick Stewart performing The Tempest for the Royal Shakespeare Company in just any college town. I don't think just any college town would have developed the cure for polio or hold the world HQ of Domino's Pizza or given you Arthur Miller, Jonas Salk, Ann Coulter, James Earl Jones, Madonna, Mike Wallace, Ken Burns, and the founders/creators/CEOs of craigslist, Hewlett-Packard, Adobe Photoshop, and the place where the Peace Corps was announced. This isn't some rinky-dink 3rd rate college town.
One of the popular terms for Ann Arbor is that it is the smallest big city in America and the biggest small city in America. Combine it with its satellite cities, you really get the whole American experience right there from its cultural peaks to its social valleys.
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| Are you not an Adoptee? Were you born to a Korean lassie who was in Ann Arbor to study at Univ. of Michigan or for some other reason? |
Most adopted Koreans are born in Korea given to an agency, and then adopted by people overseas through the agency. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
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| Not to agree with J2B, who right now is making me look like a moderate, but Plenty of F-visas have to do the tests as well. If you work for a public school, regardless of visa, you have to do the tests. |
In the spring of 2012, the entire non-Korean foreign staff at my hagwon had to go for AIDS testing. People who were racially Korean were exempt. We had all been AIDS tested already for our work visas, but we had to all get tested again. A few months after that, I had to be tested again.
My father is white and I can't think of any policy in the USA where he and I are not treated as equals. You and I are also citizens of the USA. We're treated the same in the eyes of the US law, but we're treated differently in the eyes of South Korean law, and it's based solely on race. . |
Your hakwon does not equate to "South Korean law"
Instead of talking about hakwons which may or may not follow the law...let's talk about public schools where the laws are generally followed and enforced.
ALL full-time public school employees whether Korean citizens or foreigners MUST provide a CBC when starting work. They also must take a medical exam every two years and after they turn 40.
As for the E-2 visa everyone on such a visa (regardless of ancestry) is tested and must provide a CBC. Period. It has nothing to do with race as there are ethnic Koreans who were unable to get the F-visa and had to settle for the E-2. Both Mr. Steelrails and myself know of a few such cases. |
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