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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| atwood wrote: |
sr makes this generalization:
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| but I'm sure the majority are decent and helpful when given the opportunity. |
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| Let's don't generalize. |
You're becoming the Norm Crosby of Dave's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6KyCuqeoA |
I didn't write those words, genius. Go back and read. I am not wolverine. I've occasionally mixed up posters in the heat of an argument, so that's fine, but please go back and check again. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
sr makes this generalization:
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| but I'm sure the majority are decent and helpful when given the opportunity. |
And then posts:
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| Let's don't generalize. |
You're becoming the Norm Crosby of Dave's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6KyCuqeoA |
I didn't write those words, genius. Go back and read. I am not wolverine. I've occasionally mixed up posters in the heat of an argument, so that's fine, but please go back and check again. |
You're right. It was in the post right after yours and had no attribution. Sorry about that.
Of course, if your posts weren't so freaking long, I'd probably have been able to see it wasn't you.
But as for shoddy generalizations, your five seconds remark on the sneezing thread fits the bill. Too much Mickey's? |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I read the article, and in my opinion it is quite misleading and inaccurate to a large extent. First of all, most Korean husbands who spend "tons" of hours on the job are actually out to dinners with their boss, sloshing it up at sojo joints with juice girls and the like, and generally spending time away from home to get away from their primary responsibilities: (1) being a husband, and (2) caring for their family. They justify their actions by telling the wife, "keep your trap shut, I earn the money that allows you to take care of the family."
I don't speak lightly of this, now that I am now a dual citizen of Korea and the USA, but to make out as if the husbands are so overworked in my opinion is just another crock of BS.
My wife has several close friends who are sadly in the boat I have painted the picture of, so I am not talking off the top of my head. Bottom line. IF you want to be a husband and a father, then BE ONE. If all you want to do is screw around, then you should never have made the decision to get married. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
sr makes this generalization:
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| but I'm sure the majority are decent and helpful when given the opportunity. |
And then posts:
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| Let's don't generalize. |
You're becoming the Norm Crosby of Dave's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6KyCuqeoA |
I didn't write those words, genius. Go back and read. I am not wolverine. I've occasionally mixed up posters in the heat of an argument, so that's fine, but please go back and check again. |
You're right. It was in the post right after yours and had no attribution. Sorry about that.
Of course, if your posts weren't so freaking long, I'd probably have been able to see it wasn't you.
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Yes, take responsibility by blaming me. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
sr makes this generalization:
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| but I'm sure the majority are decent and helpful when given the opportunity. |
And then posts:
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| Let's don't generalize. |
You're becoming the Norm Crosby of Dave's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6KyCuqeoA |
I didn't write those words, genius. Go back and read. I am not wolverine. I've occasionally mixed up posters in the heat of an argument, so that's fine, but please go back and check again. |
You're right. It was in the post right after yours and had no attribution. Sorry about that.
Of course, if your posts weren't so freaking long, I'd probably have been able to see it wasn't you.
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Yes, take responsibility by blaming me. |
So you're saying your posts aren't over-long, that they're pithy rejoinders rather than the ramblings of an over-opinionated, inebriated know-it-all? 
Your choice, casey jones--to derail or not. |
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wolverine
Joined: 10 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
sr makes this generalization:
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| but I'm sure the majority are decent and helpful when given the opportunity. |
And then posts:
| Quote: |
| Let's don't generalize. |
You're becoming the Norm Crosby of Dave's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6KyCuqeoA |
I didn't write those words, genius. Go back and read. I am not wolverine. I've occasionally mixed up posters in the heat of an argument, so that's fine, but please go back and check again. |
You're right. It was in the post right after yours and had no attribution. Sorry about that.
Of course, if your posts weren't so freaking long, I'd probably have been able to see it wasn't you.
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Yes, take responsibility by blaming me. |
So you're saying your posts aren't over-long, that they're pithy rejoinders rather than the ramblings of an over-opinionated, inebriated know-it-all?
Your choice, casey jones--to derail or not. |
Ahh oh, I guess this post is gonna de-evolve to another mud-slinging ad hominen filled Dave's esl discussion. I guess that's why alot of potential thoughtful people are hesitant to post up here.
That Norm Crosby video, was quite funny and admit I got a chuckle out of it. Good find Atwood. I guess their are worst things to called in this world than that.
Listen everyone has some kind of anecdotal things that they have heard, seen or experienced that have resulted in some opinion about korean fathers/dads and I don't want to deny or refute that.
My own viewpoint has been formed from direct friendships with many of them and my own experiences as a korean father/husband. I think we can all at least agree on is that, like dads/husbands everyone in the world their are some good korean husbands/dads and some bad ones. My problem is the blanket generalized negative statements that some posters make about korean husbands/dads as a whole. Of course this would be offensive to me as I'm a korean husband/dad and I personally know many others who don't fit in that negative category. I pretty sure NET's get upset when koreans make negative blanket statements reinforcing negative stereotypes about them, based on a few things they have seen or heard, right? I'm being reasonable, aren't I?
And yes I admit that I have on a few occasions let my attention slip at Emart and allowed myself to look at my smartphone while I was with my kids, but it doesn't mean overall that I'm a bad father. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| wolverine wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
sr makes this generalization:
| Quote: |
| but I'm sure the majority are decent and helpful when given the opportunity. |
And then posts:
| Quote: |
| Let's don't generalize. |
You're becoming the Norm Crosby of Dave's.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6KyCuqeoA |
I didn't write those words, genius. Go back and read. I am not wolverine. I've occasionally mixed up posters in the heat of an argument, so that's fine, but please go back and check again. |
You're right. It was in the post right after yours and had no attribution. Sorry about that.
Of course, if your posts weren't so freaking long, I'd probably have been able to see it wasn't you.
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Yes, take responsibility by blaming me. |
So you're saying your posts aren't over-long, that they're pithy rejoinders rather than the ramblings of an over-opinionated, inebriated know-it-all?
Your choice, casey jones--to derail or not. |
Ahh oh, I guess this post is gonna de-evolve to another mud-slinging ad hominen filled Dave's esl discussion. I guess that's why alot of potential thoughtful people are hesitant to post up here.
That Norm Crosby video, was quite funny and admit I got a chuckle out of it. Good find Atwood. I guess their are worst things to called in this world than that.
Listen everyone has some kind of anecdotal things that they have heard, seen or experienced that have resulted in some opinion about korean fathers/dads and I don't want to deny or refute that.
My own viewpoint has been formed from direct friendships with many of them and my own experiences as a korean father/husband. I think we can all at least agree on is that, like dads/husbands everyone in the world their are some good korean husbands/dads and some bad ones. My problem is the blanket generalized negative statements that some posters make about korean husbands/dads as a whole. Of course this would be offensive to me as I'm a korean husband/dad and I personally know many others who don't fit in that negative category. I pretty sure NET's get upset when koreans make negative blanket statements reinforcing negative stereotypes about them, based on a few things they have seen or heard, right? I'm being reasonable, aren't I?
And yes I admit that I have on a few occasions let my attention slip at Emart and allowed myself to look at my smartphone while I was with my kids, but it doesn't mean overall that I'm a bad father. |
I believe your use of the word "some" is hiding getting at the real picture. Is that some 50% or is it 20% or is it 5%? That's the crux of the matter.
Again, you say "many of them." I'd say it's impossible in a nation of 50 million for you to personally know "many" of anyone.
And I wasn't posted about someone looking away from their child a bit. What I often see is parents completely ignoring their children. I saw one kid last Sunday start climbing a ladder at CGV that an employee was already on, changing a light bulb. The kid's parents were nowhere in sight.
Yes, everybody loves babies and they go all gaga over them. But once the kid gets a little older things often change dramatically. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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"And I wasn't posted about someone looking away from their child a bit. What I often see is parents completely ignoring their children. I saw one kid last Sunday start climbing a ladder at CGV that an employee was already on, changing a light bulb. The kid's parents were nowhere in sight.
Well,I didn't want to bring that up because it seems like the problem on that score, is mostly mothers.
But now that you mention it...
In the last two weeks I have seen;
a kid flaying the life out of a tree while parents sat back and ignored it.
A kid kicking a dog while parents ignored it.
countless amounts of children running about near roads/dangerous places while mother is messaging her friends.
several children crawling around in the front seat of the car/hanging out of the the windows with no seat belt.
Children generally left to run amok in public spaces with no regard to anyone else - this included a kid sitting on the bus shouting (and i mean - shouting) 'ugly' at everything out the window while his mum ignored it and continued to message her friends.
My biggest complaint though, is the three sets of parents that allowed their children to run out into the road in front of me while I was riding my motorcycle. That one time that I had to swerve to miss it and probably clipped it, was the one that made me most upset with dad.
People who have so little interest in their children (apart from pushing it through school so that they can boast about it and make themselves feel better for their failings as a human), in my view shouldn't be parents.
Its utterly selfish. |
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