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Sesame
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Pff who cares what visa you have. I got my F5 last year and guess what I'm going to give it up. Why? Because I went back home and got a job that pays more than a damn doctor makes.
KOrea's washed up. And gambling your whole life on that country is a bad investment. |
"Job that pays more than a doctor"=office worker. |
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PappaBen
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Notes that it doesn't say first and second graders cannot be taught, it says that they cannot be provided with an advanced start on the curriculum in a class subject format. It sounds like a class where the teacher makes the materials and just does fun stuff for vocabulary enrichment and conversational practice will still be fine. I assume that after school program providers will try to adapt to the new, vague guidelines rather than giving up their business models. |
If you've dealt with korean parents at all, you should know that they'll never go for a song and game type of curriculum. It's too much of a test based education system here. The new law States that no book or tests can be used. Parents aren't going to go for this. (not enough parents to make it profitable) |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| PappaBen wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Notes that it doesn't say first and second graders cannot be taught, it says that they cannot be provided with an advanced start on the curriculum in a class subject format. It sounds like a class where the teacher makes the materials and just does fun stuff for vocabulary enrichment and conversational practice will still be fine. I assume that after school program providers will try to adapt to the new, vague guidelines rather than giving up their business models. |
If you've dealt with korean parents at all, you should know that they'll never go for a song and game type of curriculum. |
For first graders?
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| Parents aren't going to go for this. (not enough parents to make it profitable) |
Sure, I think parents will push back against it, but if by chance they don't get their way, I suspect they'll take what they can get, especially at the low elementary level. I guess we'll see. |
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meangradin
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| perhaps i'm confused in my understanding of the situation, but in ulsan the companies that run the after school programs have lost their ability to sponsor visas, which apparently they never had the right to do in the first place. as a result, the companies can not bring teachers in, thus they have to close down. a friend of a friend runs one such company and their solution is to team up with a hagwon who will sponsor the visa. however, this means that the teachers now have to work two jobs, thus the hours worked will increase dramatically. |
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PappaBen
Joined: 11 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| meangradin wrote: |
| perhaps i'm confused in my understanding of the situation, but in ulsan the companies that run the after school programs have lost their ability to sponsor visas, which apparently they never had the right to do in the first place. as a result, the companies can not bring teachers in, thus they have to close down. a friend of a friend runs one such company and their solution is to team up with a hagwon who will sponsor the visa. however, this means that the teachers now have to work two jobs, thus the hours worked will increase dramatically. |
This is different than what I'm referring to... A.S. programs can not bring teachers in, but they can transfer their visa from another company. This new law states that 1st and 2nd graders cannot learn anything above and beyond what is taught in their regular school. It seems they can still attend A.S. programs, but just cannot learn from a book or be given tests and quizzes. (something I believe parents aren't going to go for.) With 1st and 2nd graders making up for about half of the profits, A.S. programs may have to discontinue their programs.
AGAIN..... if anyone has more information on this, please feel free to add your input....... the more we know, the better. |
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meangradin
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| But who sponsors their visas? As I wrote, no company has the legal authority to sponsor an e2, only hagwons, universities, and public schools. |
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PappaBen
Joined: 11 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Im not sure who is sponsoring the visas... seems like they were able to do it themselves, but I could be wrong. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| But who sponsors their visas? As I wrote, no company has the legal authority to sponsor an e2, only hagwons, universities, and public schools. |
Depends on the company I think. I've got a few friends working for the school district in an AS program, or at the very least it is the school district sponsoring their visa.
There are so many loopholes with the law here that they will find a way. |
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wonkavite62
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:40 am Post subject: Reply |
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Sesame, you're right to complain about Park Geun Hye's approach to education. The government before 2008 was very easy-going about everything concerned with western people teaching in Korea. I am not saying that was good-but at least it meant less paperwork for us when we applied for jobs. President Lee made the visa process into a nightmare, because suddenly we were presented with new processes we knew nothing about. But he wanted more western teachers. And one people actually got the E-2 visa, things got easier.
I wish I had gotten an after school job then.
It took me a while to realise that Park Geun hye is simply not interested in English. She learned English in expensive schools abroad, and speaks it very well. But she doesn't care about education that much. When I applied for an after school job, I was told that only F -VISAS were acceptable. So that excludes most western people.
If they want to reduce after school programs still further, it would not surprise me.
But I think there are still some jobs. It's not the end of the road for ESL in Korea by any means. |
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Rockhard
Joined: 11 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Pff who cares what visa you have. I got my F5 last year and guess what I'm going to give it up. Why? Because I went back home and got a job that pays more than a damn doctor makes.
KOrea's washed up. And gambling your whole life on that country is a bad investment. |
"Job that pays more than a doctor"=office worker. |
What planet do you live on. No office worker makes that much. I work in the trades. |
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Speck7
Joined: 05 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| Rockhard wrote: |
| Sesame wrote: |
| Rockhard wrote: |
Pff who cares what visa you have. I got my F5 last year and guess what I'm going to give it up. Why? Because I went back home and got a job that pays more than a damn doctor makes.
KOrea's washed up. And gambling your whole life on that country is a bad investment. |
"Job that pays more than a doctor"=office worker. |
What planet do you live on. No office worker makes that much. I work in the trades. |
haha I think you are the only one who didnt get it |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Because I went back home and got a job that pays more than a damn doctor makes.
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| First and second graders are like 80% of my after school program. If they hold true, they are so toast. |
Ah Korea...the land of alternate realities. |
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oatmeal
Joined: 26 Nov 2013
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And who says Canada/US is washed up too? Sure, on the news they always talk about unemployment and people not being able to find jobs.
There is a HUGE FLAW in that study. It's not that people are not able to find jobs. It's that people with an education are not able to find "high" paying jobs, with career growth, security, and reputable profession. There are TONS of jobs out there in the US/Canada. Lots of HIGH paying jobs too. The problem is a) you either don't have any skill sets or qualifications to apply for that 60k-80k job Or b) you're just lazy and give up after 10 minutes of job hunting.
Sure, for some people, this place is washed up, and for others, it's a gold mine. It's funny how lots of so-called "educated" and "professional" north americans flee their countries because of lack of jobs and come to asia to teach english. Meanwhile, poor hard working and educated immigrants from asia/africa are going to North America and making the American Dream still come true.
It's all a matter of perspective and how hard you are willing to work to achieve your dreams. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, for some people, this place is washed up, and for others, it's a gold mine. It's funny how lots of so-called "educated" and "professional" north americans flee their countries because of lack of jobs and come to asia to teach english. Meanwhile, poor hard working and educated immigrants from asia/africa are going to North America and making the American Dream still come true.
It's all a matter of perspective and how hard you are willing to work to achieve your dreams. |
Maybe you should tell that to the immigrants in this study
http://cis.org/node/3877
As the table shows...the median (per capita) income in immigrant households is substantially lower than the median for native American households.
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| Even in Maryland and Virginia, the per capita median income of immigrant households is 42 and 20 percent lower respectively than that of natives. In some states, the difference with natives is even larger. In Arizona, Colorado, Texas, California, Nevada, North Carolina, Illinois, and Massachusetts the per-capita household income of natives is at least 50 percent higher than immigrants. The per-capita figures indicate that immigrant households are a good deal poorer than native household once household size is taken into account. |
And let's not even get started on the number of foreign professionals who are "driving taxis" or "working in meat-packing plants" that we always hear about.
http://immigrationimpact.com/2013/12/17/licensing-barriers-leave-immigrant-doctors-driving-cabs-instead-of-practicing-medicine/ |
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