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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ETA wrote: |
Confucianism at its finest. Rule #1 Always obey, Rule #2 Never question authority |
Quite the opposite, traditional Confucian values include a duty to remonstrate with superiors who are clearly exercising poor judgment. That's part of loyal service. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| ETA wrote: |
| Confucianism at its finest. Rule #1 Always obey, Rule #2 Never question authority |
C'mon, most schoolkids will do as their teachers and adults order them. That goes for any country on earth. The passengers were mostly kids. Sadly. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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There are two, main threads running about this disaster - both of are becoming derailed.
Perhaps it would be better to reserve our debates about blame etc. until after the rescue stage has been completed (I'm also guilty)? Or at least start another thread discussing confucianism/blame/etc.
Can we at least try and keep one of them for news updates and the like? - at least until the worst is over, then we can talk about what happened.
Im grateful for other peoples information on whats happening as the news sites I use, aren't always very up to date/reliable.
Thanks |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| From what i can gather from the korean news this morning, they've found around 20 people today, none of them were alive. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've also heard today that the sinking is a result of the boat turning too fast and cars and cargo shifting, not due to collision with a rock.
The little bit of melodrama I keep hearing today from students is about this captain drying out his wet money uninjured at the hospital while the rescue operations were still going on. I don't know who is initially responsible for this little bit of sensationalism and whether it's true or not, but everyone's heard it at this point and it looks more and more like this captain is going to burn for this.
Comedy programs were not aired today and a bunch of local festivals were canceled. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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To hire the personnel for a public lynching of the captain?
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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| I think it would be good if someone, representing English teachers in Korea, set up a fund to help the families. |
"someone" = you |
Why do think they need a "fund"? |
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nuthatch
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
I've also heard today that the sinking is a result of the boat turning too fast and cars and cargo shifting, not due to collision with a rock.
The little bit of melodrama I keep hearing today from students is about this captain drying out his wet money uninjured at the hospital while the rescue operations were still going on. I don't know who is initially responsible for this little bit of sensationalism and whether it's true or not, but everyone's heard it at this point and it looks more and more like this captain is going to burn for this.
Comedy programs were not aired today and a bunch of local festivals were canceled. |
The captain was later spotted drying his money on the floor of a hospital where he was being treated.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/04/18/2014041801508.html
He had earlier been criticised after he was seen drying wet banknotes on his bed while being interviewed by journalists.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/south-korea-disaster-captain-crew-abandoning-passengers |
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optik404
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Whether or not he was seen drying out money doesn't matter now. People already believe it. It just sounds made up. If he's being interviewed, wouldn't there be video or a picture of it? |
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skinsk05
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Location: Jeonju
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:56 pm Post subject: one way you can help |
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OK, so here is a fundraising sight for foreigneres in Korea to show our solidarity with the victims of the ferry disaster. The funds raised will go towards a scholarship for a student from the Ansan high school that was affected, and will be given in the name of Park Jiyoung, the young crew member who died after helping students. Since most of us here are teachers, we can sympathize with the teachers and students who died, and since all of us are human, we can hopefully sympathize with the family and loved ones. This fund was set up to show that the foreign community does really care. Your W10,000 or $10 contribution (or more, if you are generous) will make a difference and will help leave a legacy for so many young people who didn't have that chance. . .
http://www.crowdrise.com/foreignersinsympathywithsewoldisasterscholarship/fundraiser/skinsk |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:18 am Post subject: Re: one way you can help |
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| skinsk05 wrote: |
OK, so here is a fundraising sight for foreigneres in Korea to show our solidarity with the victims of the ferry disaster. The funds raised will go towards a scholarship for a student from the Ansan high school that was affected, and will be given in the name of Park Jiyoung, the young crew member who died after helping students. Since most of us here are teachers, we can sympathize with the teachers and students who died, and since all of us are human, we can hopefully sympathize with the family and loved ones. This fund was set up to show that the foreign community does really care. Your W10,000 or $10 contribution (or more, if you are generous) will make a difference and will help leave a legacy for so many young people who didn't have that chance. . .
http://www.crowdrise.com/foreignersinsympathywithsewoldisasterscholarship/fundraiser/skinsk |
Im sorry if I seem insensitive but how will giving money help?
There was no indication in any of the news stories that the rescue operation is short of funds or that the families were not to be compensated for their great loss.
You seem to suggest that the way the foreigner community can show we care is by giving money. Is that correct? It seems like a flaw in human logic, that money is somehow representative of sincerity. Doesn't saying you care, twittering support etc. count for anything?
How about making a website that will collect signatures and messages and then forwarding it on?
We also dont know who you are or who set up that website, we have no guarantee of its legitimacy.
(That is my opinion I no way represent the views of other teachers on this forum). |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:48 am Post subject: |
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In principle, that would be a nice gesture from the foreign teacher community to set up a scholarship. But I'm sure Danwon HS wont be hurting for commemorative donations. Also, as pointed out above, there is zero assurance that link isnt a scam. Pass.
Re: the survivors & the families of the victims, they can expect large insurance payouts (up to 450 million won each).
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2014/04/602_155569.html |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:18 am Post subject: Re: one way you can help |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| skinsk05 wrote: |
OK, so here is a fundraising sight for foreigneres in Korea to show our solidarity with the victims of the ferry disaster. The funds raised will go towards a scholarship for a student from the Ansan high school that was affected, and will be given in the name of Park Jiyoung, the young crew member who died after helping students. Since most of us here are teachers, we can sympathize with the teachers and students who died, and since all of us are human, we can hopefully sympathize with the family and loved ones. This fund was set up to show that the foreign community does really care. Your W10,000 or $10 contribution (or more, if you are generous) will make a difference and will help leave a legacy for so many young people who didn't have that chance. . .
http://www.crowdrise.com/foreignersinsympathywithsewoldisasterscholarship/fundraiser/skinsk |
Im sorry if I seem insensitive but how will giving money help?
There was no indication in any of the news stories that the rescue operation is short of funds or that the families were not to be compensated for their great loss.
You seem to suggest that the way the foreigner community can show we care is by giving money. Is that correct? It seems like a flaw in human logic, that money is somehow representative of sincerity. Doesn't saying you care, twittering support etc. count for anything?
How about making a website that will collect signatures and messages and then forwarding it on?
We also dont know who you are or who set up that website, we have no guarantee of its legitimacy.
(That is my opinion I no way represent the views of other teachers on this forum). |
I agree with you from both a philosophical and practical viewpoint , but in Korea people show they care by giving money. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Im not sure people say they care in Korea by giving money. I never heard of giving money at funerals or in hospitals etc., only at weddings.
Though I may be wrong.
Anyway, keeping on track, back to the thread...
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
Im not sure people say they care in Korea by giving money. I never heard of giving money at funerals or in hospitals etc., only at weddings.
Though I may be wrong. |
One gives money (부의금) at a Korean funeral. |
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