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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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My own story would be good. But the journalist wanted to write about the general problem -- not necessarily about 'my' problem.
I would agree to that judgement because it would bring an impression of the newspaper to be more objective; to factor in more truths instead of the truth from only one case study.
Many people probably would doubt the effectiveness of this attempt to solve the problem of unfair work practices by these 'educational' institutes, because of lack of 'hard' evidence. It would almost seem to be hearsay on both perspectives; the schools, and the foreign English teachers.
However, every change begins with a start. And you never know, maybe someone more passionate, intelligent, and influential than I am, whose attention would be caught, thus spreading our effort in a larger scale, by first beginning with this small-time attempt to show our ability to stand up for what is right.
The good news is that we all maybe able to work as a team; where the community's work in submitting our stories (hopefully they are not going to be exaggerated), and my work in organizing and making necessary contacts down the chain of command all the way to the journalist, will be enough to prove our time here enduring some unprofessional treatment, was worthwhile. |
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SeoulNate

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Location: Hyehwa
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| waitandsee wrote: |
I would agree to that judgement because it would bring an impression of the newspaper to be more objective; to factor in more truths instead of the truth from only one case study.
Many people probably would doubt the effectiveness of this attempt to solve the problem of unfair work practices by these 'educational' institutes, because of lack of 'hard' evidence. It would almost seem to be hearsay on both perspectives; the schools, and the foreign English teachers.
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1. Take a step back.
2. Read that again.
3. Recognize your problem.
4. Stop asking for help |
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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
1. Take a step back.
2. Read that again.
3. Recognize your problem.
4. Stop asking for help |
False.
Have the patience and decency to start your own thread to support your own arguments, instead of impulsively allowing your hidden resentment for other people's goals to be expressed as unsolicited advice.
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Now back on topic:
I feel we can all make a change here. Let's keep the ball rolling and let's keep this dialog here lighthearted.
Like mentioned before, anyone is welcomed to contribute their story for case studies to be submitted to a Korean journalist. Of course only relevant cases will be used, so please keep the case studies to the facts.
I am a foreign English teacher who have taken the role of compiling these case studies on this highly popular and professional web forum.
The intention of the newspaper article is to highlight on how some educational institutes may be using 'loop-holes' in the Korean labor law to take advantage of foreign English teachers.
The potential article to be published will be in Korean for the Korean audience.
Cheers! |
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SeoulNate

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Location: Hyehwa
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| false what? I didn't ask you a question, reading comprehension FTL |
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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
| false what? I didn't ask you a question, reading comprehension FTL |
Have the patience and decency to start your own thread to support your own arguments, instead of impulsively allowing your hidden resentment for other people's goals to be expressed as unsolicited advice. |
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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Please let's stay on topic here. It's really not polite to spam unsolicited advice on other people's threads.
Like mentioned before, anyone is welcomed to contribute their story for case studies to be submitted to a Korean journalist. Of course only relevant cases will be used, so please keep the case studies to the facts.
I am a foreign English teacher who have taken the role of compiling these case studies on this highly popular and professional web forum.
The intention of the newspaper article is to highlight on how some educational institutes may be using 'loop-holes' in the Korean labor law to take advantage of foreign English teachers.
The potential article to be published will be in Korean for the Korean audience.
Cheers! |
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SeoulNate

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Location: Hyehwa
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:32 am Post subject: |
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you already posted that, how about you read what you wrote, recognize why no one wants to help you write your article and move on.
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I would agree to that judgement because it would bring an impression of the newspaper to be more objective; to factor in more truths instead of the truth from only one case study.
Many people probably would doubt the effectiveness of this attempt to solve the problem of unfair work practices by these 'educational' institutes, because of lack of 'hard' evidence. It would almost seem to be hearsay on both perspectives; the schools, and the foreign English teachers. |
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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
| how about you read what you wrote... |
Have the patience and decency to start your own thread to support your own arguments, instead of impulsively allowing your hidden resentment for other people's goals to be masked as unsolicited advice.
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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Please let's stay on topic here. It's really not polite to spam unsolicited advice on other people's threads.
Like mentioned before, anyone is welcomed to contribute their story for case studies to be submitted to a Korean journalist. Of course only relevant cases will be used, so please keep the case studies to the facts.
I am a foreign English teacher who have taken the role of compiling these case studies on this highly popular and professional web forum.
The intention of the newspaper article is to highlight on how some educational institutes may be using 'loop-holes' in the Korean labor law to take advantage of foreign English teachers.
The potential article to be published will be in Korean for the Korean audience.
Cheers! |
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SeoulNate

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Location: Hyehwa
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| waitandsee wrote: |
| copy and paste! |
I can do it too mommy!
1. Take a step back.
2. Read that again.
3. Recognize your problem.
4. Stop asking for help1. Take a step back.
2. Read that again.
3. Recognize your problem.
4. Stop asking for help1. Take a step back.
2. Read that again.
3. Recognize your problem.
4. Stop asking for help1. Take a step back.
2. Read that again.
3. Recognize your problem.
4. Stop asking for help |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| waitandsee wrote: |
Guys and Gals,
I've read a lot about fellow foreign ESL teachers, or native English teachers, getting a raw deal from their employers, whom generally have the business acumen of lemonade-stand kids back in our home countries.
I have too, personally experienced such mistreatment, and the disillusionment that adult 'business' owners would boldly admit to use hearsay evidence as part of their scheme, making the vulnerable ESL teacher feel it would be a futile attempt to defend one's own rights.
This type of unfair workplace practice has happened to me on more than one occasion. And, I have heard of similar stories to some people in my city, here in Korea.
I just wanted to do my share of work, for what I believe was best fitted for my purpose, in this small and temporary part of my life. I can't understand why when so many have complained about unfair treatment, and when someone is now willing to stand up for our rights, those who are expressing their thoughts, are only those who are opposing the main purpose of this internet thread.
I know my form of communication, through writing, may seem unorthodox. However, we all grew up differently, and can understand how maybe some people just write on internet forums with the same intention as they would have when speaking with them in person.
So, I know I failed to communicate my personal story in order to gain the trust of you guys, I hope I have begun to show you all that I am indeed doing my best to solve a problem that we all know exists.
Cheers, all. |
Well, life sucks. |
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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:43 am Post subject: |
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I apologize for the community who are witnessing the impulsive postings, from people who do not understand the goal of this tread, and whom have the hidden resentment for other people's goals masked as unsolicited advice.
I am forced to 'cut and paste' the purpose of this thread in order to preserve a sense of direction. Otherwise, the adversaries would deem it appropriate to overwhelm the message of this tread for their own entertainment.
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Now back on topic:
It seems like Korea has begun to really crack down on details for improving their English education system. Their determination to have the finest form of education, for its younger generation, is now in the mist of a complete transformation.
At first, it was setting up standards that aimed at making it difficult for unqualified ESL teachers to be hired for work. Policies such as health checks, criminal record checks, and reference checks all became an important focus. Now the next step is to make sure those foreigners who are qualified, are indeed treated fairly and professionally in the workplace.
A friend of mine, who works at a local Korean newspaper, had asked that I reach out to the foreign community, about the topic of unfair treatment of foreign ESL teachers in Korea, and about how common these types of incidents really are.
All the case studies will have the NAMES CHANGED to protect identities. The important part is to have the adverse stories voiced. This may be the change ESL teachers in Korea have been all waiting for. |
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waitandsee
Joined: 27 Mar 2014 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| drcrazy wrote: |
Well, life sucks. |
Wouldn't you agree that life doesn't suck?
Isn't it worse to have a hidden resentment for other people's goals be expressed as unsolicited advice for the service of spreading pessimism? |
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SeoulNate

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Location: Hyehwa
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| waitandsee wrote: |
I apologize for the community who are witnessing the impulsive postings, from people who do not understand the goal of this tread, and whom have the hidden resentment for other people's goals masked as unsolicited advice.
I am forced to 'cut and paste' the purpose of this thread in order to preserve a sense of direction. Otherwise, the adversaries would deem it appropriate to overwhelm the message of this tread for their own entertainment.
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Yeah, doing it for the lols.
First of all, you are not a NET. You are either a troll, a liar or a troll-sock-liar; either way it matters little.
The reason why people are laughing at you is the constant lying:
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It seems like Korea has begun to really crack down on details for improving their English education system. Their determination to have the finest form of education, for its younger generation, is now in the mist of a complete transformation.
At first, it was setting up standards that aimed at making it difficult for unqualified ESL teachers to be hired for work. Policies such as health checks, criminal record checks, and reference checks all became an important focus. Now the next step is to make sure those foreigners who are qualified, are indeed treated fairly and professionally in the workplace. |
For example, this kind of BS is just comical. Korea is not getting better, nor do they really care. Have you watched SBS lately? Most of us who have been here a while have seem movements come and go, none of which have really done anything at all, so excuse us for not believing one newspaper article that is totally written based on speculation and hearsay would help us one bit.
If you really want to hear the sap stories from some NETs, visit a few bars around the country pretty much any night of the week and you will hear the stories; we all have a few. Noobies especially like to talk about them together, you may like to join them and write about their unsubstantiated stories.
Hell, if you asked for people to interview LEGITIMATELY for a TV program or such, I would gladly volunteer and I know many others would as well. However, get this speculative BS out of here. |
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tardisrider

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| waitandsee wrote: |
Otherwise, the adversaries would deem it appropriate to overwhelm the message of this tread for their own entertainment.
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I was initially inclined to be of some assistance to you, but I have decided not to do so. because of the way you are reacting and behaving in this thread. |
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