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caniff
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| I'm so darn lucky - I be learnin sumthin knew every day! |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
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| Wtf is "remote memorization"? |
It's memorizing things in a structured way with the remote chance of ever having to use it again. |
I struggle with remote memorization every time I try to figure out how to order PPVs off the Spice Channel. |
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Los Angeloser
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Location: Korea
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| Since when did solving math problems start being considered "creative?" Math is art now? Heck, I suppose we're all creative at everything we do aye? It's just the best of us at whichever area of expertise that become well known or succeed the most. You should see the way I sit on the toilet and defecate, even I can get pretty "creative" when a turd is hanging. If only more of those on the Sewol could've shown us some "creativity," or weren't there enough expert math problem solvers on that ferry? |
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amo_jh
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| Since when did solving math problems start being considered "creative?" Math is art now? Heck, I suppose we're all creative at everything we do aye? It's just the best of us at whichever area of expertise that become well known or succeed the most. You should see the way I sit on the toilet and defecate, even I can get pretty "creative" when a turd is hanging. If only more of those on the Sewol could've shown us some "creativity," or weren't there enough expert math problem solvers on that ferry? |
Solving math problems requires more of logical reasoning, but it still requires a great deal of creativity, or thinking outside the box, especially when solving complicated problems. You would know that if you had ever spent hours trying to solve a math problem, approaching from every angle your brain can possibly think of, and getting nowhere. OECD calls the PISA test real life creative problem solving skills test, and it does contain mathematics and science problems. |
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Rockhard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Trying to solve any problem without good math skills is like trying to fix a car without any tools. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, Korean kids are very creative, at least until the Korean school system slowly and methodically turns them into conformists. Starting in middle school, their grades are based purely on results of multiple choice tests. The teacher is the ultimate authority on the answers to these questions, and students either agree, or they are wrong.
I've actually been told by my English teacher co-workers that if a student asks me about a questionable question on an exam that I am to refer them to their teacher. Whatever I do, I am not to tell them that their interpretation is valid! Parents might get involved then...
And then, grades mean absolutely everything in a country with a huge student body and very few good universities. Unless of course your family is filthy stinking rich, then you can get into any university you want... but that's true the world over. |
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atwood
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95% of people aren't very creative. That 95-5 number is normal for children and people in general. People say an education system should be fostered around creativity, I'm not so sure. Creativity should definitely not be squelched and encouraged, but at the same time its important to give people a base of skills and to remember that the overwhelming number of people are not creative and won't be, and that to diminish their education for the sake of the creative because "creative sounds nice" and you want to rack up Nobel prize winners is a poor decision.
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| But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge. |
The "resting on our laurels" element is slowly starting to creep in. |
Herr G, can you give a link or two to research supporting your 95-5 contention? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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95% of people aren't very creative. That 95-5 number is normal for children and people in general. People say an education system should be fostered around creativity, I'm not so sure. Creativity should definitely not be squelched and encouraged, but at the same time its important to give people a base of skills and to remember that the overwhelming number of people are not creative and won't be, and that to diminish their education for the sake of the creative because "creative sounds nice" and you want to rack up Nobel prize winners is a poor decision.
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| But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge. |
The "resting on our laurels" element is slowly starting to creep in. |
Herr G, can you give a link or two to research supporting your 95-5 contention? |
I'm sorry, I got it wrong. 2.5% was the number Simon Sinek threw out in his TED talk.
Unless you are claiming that 50% of the population is creative and out there inventing things and all that. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
95% of people aren't very creative. That 95-5 number is normal for children and people in general. People say an education system should be fostered around creativity, I'm not so sure. Creativity should definitely not be squelched and encouraged, but at the same time its important to give people a base of skills and to remember that the overwhelming number of people are not creative and won't be, and that to diminish their education for the sake of the creative because "creative sounds nice" and you want to rack up Nobel prize winners is a poor decision.
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| But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge. |
The "resting on our laurels" element is slowly starting to creep in. |
Herr G, can you give a link or two to research supporting your 95-5 contention? |
I'm sorry, I got it wrong. 2.5% was the number Simon Sinek threw out in his TED talk.
Unless you are claiming that 50% of the population is creative and out there inventing things and all that. |
I asked for research, not the opinion of a motivational speaker.
Creativity does not equate exclusively with inventions. Nix the straw men, herr g. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge. |
The American kids won't feel bad because no matter the outcome their parents and teachers will give them trophies and tell them how great and special they are. |
What did you win? A one-way ticket to the ROK?  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
95% of people aren't very creative. That 95-5 number is normal for children and people in general. People say an education system should be fostered around creativity, I'm not so sure. Creativity should definitely not be squelched and encouraged, but at the same time its important to give people a base of skills and to remember that the overwhelming number of people are not creative and won't be, and that to diminish their education for the sake of the creative because "creative sounds nice" and you want to rack up Nobel prize winners is a poor decision.
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| But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge. |
The "resting on our laurels" element is slowly starting to creep in. |
Herr G, can you give a link or two to research supporting your 95-5 contention? |
I'm sorry, I got it wrong. 2.5% was the number Simon Sinek threw out in his TED talk.
Unless you are claiming that 50% of the population is creative and out there inventing things and all that. |
I asked for research, not the opinion of a motivational speaker.
Creativity does not equate exclusively with inventions. Nix the straw men, herr g. |
What number would you propose atwood?
And stop calling me Herr G. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
95% of people aren't very creative. That 95-5 number is normal for children and people in general. People say an education system should be fostered around creativity, I'm not so sure. Creativity should definitely not be squelched and encouraged, but at the same time its important to give people a base of skills and to remember that the overwhelming number of people are not creative and won't be, and that to diminish their education for the sake of the creative because "creative sounds nice" and you want to rack up Nobel prize winners is a poor decision.
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| But take a random selection of Korean kids and pit them against a random selection of American kids and I feel bad for the American kids because they will get butt-hurt in any mental challenge. |
The "resting on our laurels" element is slowly starting to creep in. |
Herr G, can you give a link or two to research supporting your 95-5 contention? |
I'm sorry, I got it wrong. 2.5% was the number Simon Sinek threw out in his TED talk.
Unless you are claiming that 50% of the population is creative and out there inventing things and all that. |
I asked for research, not the opinion of a motivational speaker.
Creativity does not equate exclusively with inventions. Nix the straw men, herr g. |
What number would you propose atwood?
And stop calling me Herr G. |
Little G, stop telling me what to post and think.
Answering a question with a question. Rejected! In the words of Moses Malone, "Don't be bringin' that weak-ass shit in here on Moses."
Research bro, not crazy wild ass guesses. Dig it? |
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Rockhard
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Certain things don't get researched because they hurt people's feelings. But most people not being very intelligent or creative isn't exactly a state secret.
Go to work to today and randomly choose ten people and ask yourself, "Are these people creative problem solvers? Can they think of novel solutions? Can they see the big picture?"
However, the one problem with that method is that only the creative can know the creative. The non-creative cannot judge creativity in others because they can't identify it in themselves. |
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atwood
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Certain things don't get researched because they hurt people's feelings. But most people not being very intelligent or creative isn't exactly a state secret.
Go to work to today and randomly choose ten people and ask yourself, "Are these people creative problem solvers? Can they think of novel solutions? Can they see the big picture?"
However, the one problem with that method is that only the creative can know the creative. The non-creative cannot judge creativity in others because they can't identify it in themselves. |
"Only the creative can know the creative." Does it then follow that only the stupid can know the stupid?
Maybe that's why I can't understand your post. How could anyone post such drivel?
Since I work in Korea the answer to your question is obviously no. But when I worked in the U.S. I was for the most part surrounded by creative, intelligent people. I witnessed people doing smart things all the time. They weren't geniuses, but they were creative.
Then there was the high school I attended, which cranked out national merit scholars like an assembly line. So I was literally surrounded by geniuses in a few of my classes. |
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Okie from Muskogee
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| Solving any problem requires initiative, intuition, and common sense. |
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