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OBwannabe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:52 pm    Post subject: Getting married and permanently living in Korea. Reply with quote

I'm wondering how reasonable it would be to expect to have a decent standard of living (raise a child, buy an apartment, vacation once a year, etc...) for someone who is married to a Korean(F-series marriage visa), but only has a bachelors degree?
I love teaching and am happy to do it until retirement. I was actually planning on going back to the homeland in a couple years to get a B. of Ed degree, but I'll be 40 next year and starting to think it's time to settle down. In the situation I'm in, it's likely one or the other. Either get married and stay in Korea, or stick to the original plan and go back and study for a year and hopefully secure a job back home. When it comes right down to it, I can't afford to marry(and all the related expenses that go along with it) and go back to school.

So what I'm really curious about is, does having a marriage visa open up enough doors to allow you to make enough money to live well and retire on? I'm thinking private lessons out of home as a side job to a full or part time contract. Although, hagwon work is likely to dry up pretty quick at my age.
Would love to hear some stories
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a plan and stick to it. Being on a marriage visa is only as good as you make it work for you. If you really feel like you want to live, work and retire here, then the consideration of dual citizenship should also be in your mind. I am now a dual citizen and the benefits are fairly significant for me at this stage of my 10+ years of being in the country. Want more information, then ask specific questions rather than the vague "what-if" type questions many people commonly post. Just offering my two cents worth to your post. Cool
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Financially do-able. But the danger is 10 years from now you tire of teaching, and are a bit stuck. At 50 it would be difficult to re-enter your home country work force.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the benefits of citizenship?
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modernseoul



Joined: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the marriage visa (F6) open doors? Yes
Does it make life in Korea easier and more stable? Yes
Does make a massive difference? No

The one main benefit you have is that you enjoy teaching and can see yourself doing it for the foreseeable future. I've meet many 30~40 year old expat guys on marriage visas who take teaching roles because they can't find anything else and do a half-assed job.
The hours and wages are better, but the number of roles are fewer these days for a number of different reasons.

Honestly to make a life from teaching in South Korea long term, been well qualified would be a big advantage. The ESL industry in Korea isn't growing like it once did.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
What are the benefits of citizenship?


Things are much easier to get done for one, but the best is never, ever having to deal with immigration for any reason. Laughing

    Banking is easier
    Taking care of personal or professional business transactions is much easier
    Never being told "sorry, foreigners no service"
    Having a number of financial options regarding housing that are unavailable to foreigners
    Owning a business or working as many jobs as you want 'legally'

These are just of a few of the things I have realized since becoming a dual citizen. There are still headaches at times getting people to work with you, but pulling out the National ID card changes things quickly once people you are doing business with realize they can't screw you over, although they try.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
What are the benefits of citizenship?


Things are much easier to get done for one, but the best is never, ever having to deal with immigration for any reason. Laughing

    Banking is easier
    Taking care of personal or professional business transactions is much easier
    Never being told "sorry, foreigners no service"
    Having a number of financial options regarding housing that are unavailable to foreigners
    Owning a business or working as many jobs as you want 'legally'

These are just of a few of the things I have realized since becoming a dual citizen. There are still headaches at times getting people to work with you, but pulling out the National ID card changes things quickly once people you are doing business with realize they can't screw you over, although they try.


What about paperwork for the Ministry of Education? Are you required to get your degrees apostiled, HIV&Drug testing, and home country criminal background checks to work in Education or change jobs?

[On an F-visa immigration isn't the problem, it's the Ministry of Education.]
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modernseoul



Joined: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
tob55 wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
What are the benefits of citizenship?


Things are much easier to get done for one, but the best is never, ever having to deal with immigration for any reason. Laughing

    Banking is easier
    Taking care of personal or professional business transactions is much easier
    Never being told "sorry, foreigners no service"
    Having a number of financial options regarding housing that are unavailable to foreigners
    Owning a business or working as many jobs as you want 'legally'

These are just of a few of the things I have realized since becoming a dual citizen. There are still headaches at times getting people to work with you, but pulling out the National ID card changes things quickly once people you are doing business with realize they can't screw you over, although they try.


What about paperwork for the Ministry of Education? Are you required to get your degrees apostiled, HIV&Drug testing, and home country criminal background checks to work in Education or change jobs?

[On an F-visa immigration isn't the problem, it's the Ministry of Education.]


I believe you're required to provide at least an Apostatized Degree and a Korean Criminal Background Check if you're working at a Hagwon or Public School. Not sure about the health check, but I was required to provide one when working at an after school program.

To legally Private Tutor there are a few other hoops to jump though, but I not gone down that road.
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Speck7



Joined: 05 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This title sent shivers down my spine.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me of the end of a poem

But if he stood and watched the frigid wind
Tousling the clouds, lay on the fusty bed
Telling himself that this was home, and grinned,
And shivered, without shaking off the dread

That how we live measures our own nature,
And at his age having no more to show
Than one hired box should make him pretty sure
He warranted no better, I don't know.
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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've met people on F visas making up to 6 million a month with their regular job plus private tutoring. Some lived in their wives' hometowns so they could find jobs through their wives' social networks.

These days it often takes two incomes to raise a family in Korea especially with skyrocketing real estate prices in places like Seoul. For that reason, Korean men are often interested in dating women who already have successful careers.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
tob55 wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
What are the benefits of citizenship?


Things are much easier to get done for one, but the best is never, ever having to deal with immigration for any reason. Laughing

    Banking is easier
    Taking care of personal or professional business transactions is much easier
    Never being told "sorry, foreigners no service"
    Having a number of financial options regarding housing that are unavailable to foreigners
    Owning a business or working as many jobs as you want 'legally'

These are just of a few of the things I have realized since becoming a dual citizen. There are still headaches at times getting people to work with you, but pulling out the National ID card changes things quickly once people you are doing business with realize they can't screw you over, although they try.


What about paperwork for the Ministry of Education? Are you required to get your degrees apostiled, HIV&Drug testing, and home country criminal background checks to work in Education or change jobs?

[On an F-visa immigration isn't the problem, it's the Ministry of Education.]

No to all of your questions. The MOE has ceased to be a problem in regards to all of those things.

You must understand that as part of the citizenship process all and I mean ALL of my background was checked including every place I attended school, the qualifications I received, when any degrees, etc. were received and from where, all of my family background, including double checking to ensure I had no Korean ancestry, so the MOE simply looks at my documents and asks no questions outside the normal where did you go to University and when did you graduate.

Now that I have done almost everything for my PhD at a Korean National University it will be a completely moot issue.

When we opened our Language and Training Center in late 2013, the local DOE here in Chuncheon looked at my degree, my transcript, smiled and handed it back to me.

Having the thorough background check when applying for citizenship meant that as a dual citizen the only checks and essential verifying happens here in Korea. The CRC is here in Korea, the health checks are standard for ALL Korean employees as well as foreign nationals. I get my regular check every two years, but no HIV/Drug testing, no checks when I want to change jobs except for the local Police Office.

It is quite nice not to have to go through all the things even the F-visa people have to through now. Cool
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radish kimchi



Joined: 20 Mar 2014

PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
Yes. Financially do-able. But the danger is 10 years from now you tire of teaching, and are a bit stuck. At 50 it would be difficult to re-enter your home country work force.


How many mafia gangsters or drug lords are blonde, female, perky, recent college graduates looking to head a cartel?

None, they are too busy blindly making commitments to employers in another country to explore, teach, and experience a new culture setting sail on the ESL roller coaster.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
What are the benefits of citizenship?


Things are much easier to get done for one, but the best is never, ever having to deal with immigration for any reason. Laughing

    Banking is easier
    Taking care of personal or professional business transactions is much easier
    Never being told "sorry, foreigners no service"
    Having a number of financial options regarding housing that are unavailable to foreigners
    Owning a business or working as many jobs as you want 'legally'

These are just of a few of the things I have realized since becoming a dual citizen. There are still headaches at times getting people to work with you, but pulling out the National ID card changes things quickly once people you are doing business with realize they can't screw you over, although they try.


Ok, and what are the responsibilities of citizenship?
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OBwannabe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
Have a plan and stick to it. Being on a marriage visa is only as good as you make it work for you. If you really feel like you want to live, work and retire here, then the consideration of dual citizenship should also be in your mind. I am now a dual citizen and the benefits are fairly significant for me at this stage of my 10+ years of being in the country. Want more information, then ask specific questions rather than the vague "what-if" type questions many people commonly post. Just offering my two cents worth to your post. Cool


And I appreciate your two cents.
I leave the question rather open-ended as I would like to hear varying experiences. I'm sure there are loads of stories to tell of how obtaining a marriage visa was a stepping stone to greater things financially. I'm sure there are those out there who have not gained financially after obtaining the visa. I would like to hear those stories too.

Another thing I'm wondering about is....is it possible to make a good living by teaching legal privates to kids out of your own home? Is there enough of a demand? Obviously living in an area with a high percentage of young families would be preferable. Anyone out there doing this?
I remember reading on some blog about an older fella doing this. He teaches a few hours a days and seems to get by alright. But I don't know what his back story is. Perhaps he's loaded and in semi-retirement mode.
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