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joeyjoejoe
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 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:50 am Post subject: Nick Warren Kicked Off The Decks In Seoul |
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Veteran jock Nick Warren was booted off the decks at Club Vanguard in Seoul last night for not playing to the liking of some of the club's punters.
Warren has since taken to his facebook to apologise to his fans, stating that club owners stopped him mid-set for not playing commercial enough.
"Apologies to everyone on the full dance floor last night in Seoul," his post reads. "Someone who had booked a table had complained to the club that I was not playing commercial music so the club told me to stop after an hour, words can not explain how i feel about that to be honest."
Sadly this is not just a one-off, with clubs bowing to wealthy customers who wish to control the music policy becoming an all too common occurrence. Both Mark Farina and DJ Shadow suffered a similar fate in Las Vegas and Miami last year.
Prior to the incident in South Korea Warren had been touring Australia, where his sets went down without any hitches. |
http://pulseradio.net/articles/2014/04/nick-warren-kicked-off-the-decks-in-seoul
Was anybody there? did you demand your money back?
He killed it in sydney this past week, 2.5 hours on a boat driving around the harbour, then 3 hours at the afterparty.
I would have been pretty disappointed with him getting booted after only an hour |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:23 am Post subject: |
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That's fooked but not surprising. Especially here.
The tastes here are very mainstream and the club scene, although fairly large, is comparatively cheeseball compared to most countries, and there's no drugs so most here can't handle anything more challenging than the radio fodder. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| They probably wanted to hear Kangnam Style. Twice. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I went to see Robert Miles back in the early 2000's. Everyone was expecting a trancey set like the song "Children" instead he plays the strangest set I've ever witnessed. In the middle of it, he just starts playing train sounds. All the candy kids were pissed.
Anyways, famous DJ's get booted all the time if the owner doesn't like it or the crowd isn't responding. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
I went to see Robert Miles back in the early 2000's. Everyone was expecting a trancey set like the song "Children" instead he plays the strangest set I've ever witnessed. In the middle of it, he just starts playing train sounds. All the candy kids were pissed.
Anyways, famous DJ's get booted all the time if the owner doesn't like it or the crowd isn't responding. |
Wherever a gangsters girlfriend is upset because the DJ isn't playing Nikki Minaj.
Wherever artistic integrity takes precedence over a rich customers mood that day.
Wherever a performance isn't predictable.
That's where you will be, to save the day and defend those rich customers who aren't getting their way 100% of the time.
I'm totally with you on this one brother. The Seoul club scene has a special atmosphere that can't really be found in other cities. It's important that we preserve this and keep it's good name intact. Otherwise people might not travel from all over the world to enjoy it, and it might be able to attract the big names it has in the past. It's the way forward with music, and if some nobody like Nick Warren doesn't like it then maybe he picked the wrong profession. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Great DJs like Casey Kasem are supposed to take requests. Problem solved. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
I went to see Robert Miles back in the early 2000's. Everyone was expecting a trancey set like the song "Children" instead he plays the strangest set I've ever witnessed. In the middle of it, he just starts playing train sounds. All the candy kids were pissed.
Anyways, famous DJ's get booted all the time if the owner doesn't like it or the crowd isn't responding. |
In the UK i've never seen a DJ get booted.
DJs should be able to play what they like. One of my favourite memories was when a DJ dropped Benny and the Jets in the middle of one of his sets. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
I went to see Robert Miles back in the early 2000's. Everyone was expecting a trancey set like the song "Children" instead he plays the strangest set I've ever witnessed. In the middle of it, he just starts playing train sounds. All the candy kids were pissed.
Anyways, famous DJ's get booted all the time if the owner doesn't like it or the crowd isn't responding. |
Wherever a gangsters girlfriend is upset because the DJ isn't playing Nikki Minaj.
Wherever artistic integrity takes precedence over a rich customers mood that day.
Wherever a performance isn't predictable.
That's where you will be, to save the day and defend those rich customers who aren't getting their way 100% of the time.
I'm totally with you on this one brother. The Seoul club scene has a special atmosphere that can't really be found in other cities. It's important that we preserve this and keep it's good name intact. Otherwise people might not travel from all over the world to enjoy it, and it might be able to attract the big names it has in the past. It's the way forward with music, and if some nobody like Nick Warren doesn't like it then maybe he picked the wrong profession. |
Nice attempt at wit. But I wasn't defending the customers or the owner who kicked him off. Simply said that it happens all the time. I remember it happening back in '99 when DJ Micro (iirc) was all sorts of shitefaced and couldn't keep a set going. So they booted him. Happened to DJ Shadow a few months ago in Miami.
I'm guessing club owners book these guys based on their last CD and expect a set that's similar. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Simply said that it happens all the time. I remember it happening back in '99 when DJ Micro (iirc) was all sorts of shitefaced and couldn't keep a set going. So they booted him. Happened to DJ Shadow a few months ago in Miami.
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No, Steel Junior, it doesn't happen "all the time", it primarily happens at wack venues with punter crowds, which Seoul/Korea tends to have a lot of.
Your examples of "all the time" include a guy who was shitefaced in '99 (a totally different reason), and the DJ Shadow gig, to which he wrote:
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| "I don't care if I get kicked out of every rich kid club on the planet. I will never sacrifice my integrity as a DJ... ever |
, and in that situation the crowd was extremely pissed off.
Seems like in Korea, many local DJ's mostly don't really play many challenging/deep grooves or do much creative remix stuff or slow builds or interesting transitions: so anything outside the top 10 slammer hits is more likely to be met with confusion or boredom.
(I met a foreign DJ here who said he'd put loads of time in making good sets with transitions, but the local DJ's would just copy his tracks and set lists, line them up and just hit play. So there's definitely a copy/fake the funk element going on. They wouldn't have even heard of half those tracks to play had they not copied him. Then, after stealing his playlists and expertise, they talked smack about him and took a bunch of his gigs. Pretty pathetic.)
But hey, happens "all the time" and all clubs and scenes worldwide are the SAME, right? |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ex-DJ here. Ok Yes I understand the legimacy of the DJ, the integirty. I used to cut tape by hand for edits! BUT I will concur with the kicking out part, if the DJ isnt working the crowd the way the owner wants (in a bigger, more popular venue), he has the right to kick them out because hes may damage the rep of the club, it is a business.
What I play and do with my music is my art, but once I decide to sell it, the customer/venue has the right to refuse it. DJs should know the venue they play, the type of people who will come, and (for me) the hall shape and size (eq potential).
Same kind of things. I love Sonic Youth, but if I meet my K-friends and they like Beatles, Would I force them to listen to ol Thurston?
As far as them others just copying, well, thats another thing here isnt it?
I think DJ here is seen as a kind of elevated position, not an art form, which is in line with Korean social thinking, no? |
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