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UNFAIR treatment of ESL teachers: NEWSPAPER investigation
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="waitandsee"]


It seems like Korea has begun to really crack down on details for improving their English education system. Their determination to have the finest form of education, for its younger generation, is now in the mist of a complete transformation.quote]

This is the second most funny thing I have read in ages. Laughing
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ATEK part 27.

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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulNate wrote:


a troll, a liar or a troll-sock-liar;


This is the most funny thing I have read in ages. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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waitandsee



Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tardisrider wrote:
waitandsee wrote:
Otherwise, the adversaries would deem it appropriate to overwhelm the message of this tread for their own entertainment.


I was initially inclined to be of some assistance to you, but I have decided not to do so. because of the way you are reacting and behaving in this thread.


Sure, the abusive language from replies representing the opposing views didn't seem to bother you.
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waitandsee



Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really do feel we are ready for this appropriate challenge. Continue to send in your case studies and thanks for all your support.

Cheers!
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Nester Noodlemon



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we also report UNFAIR treatment of ESL teachers who get lured into ratty NEWSPAPER investigations by an OP running a bait-em into participating in a trap story?
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tardisrider



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waitandsee wrote:
tardisrider wrote:
waitandsee wrote:
Otherwise, the adversaries would deem it appropriate to overwhelm the message of this tread for their own entertainment.


I was initially inclined to be of some assistance to you, but I have decided not to do so. because of the way you are reacting and behaving in this thread.


Sure, the abusive language from replies representing the opposing views didn't seem to bother you.


Your posts are the only posts which have affected my attitude towards assisting you. Others' posts have had no influence on my decisions regarding you. Those are two completely discrete variables.

To put it plainly, I've made my decision on whether or not to help you based on your behavior. You are not responsible for their behavior nor are they responsible for yours. I've chosen not to help you or your friend because you give the appearance of immaturity, and you haven't handled yourself well in these dialogues. I sincerely believe that if you were to approach this differently, you would receive better participation from others.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nester Noodlemon wrote:
Can we also report UNFAIR treatment of ESL teachers who get lured into ratty NEWSPAPER investigations by an OP running a bait-em into participating in a trap story?


Pretty much this. Any idiot dumb enough to talk to this guy is going to end up in some kind of 'trash the foreigner' story in a 3rd rate Korean newspaper.

To be really honest, he sounds like (barring a troll) someone from the AES looking to get dirt on teachers who are getting shit on by their schools but do not actually qualify as teachers back home.
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oatmeal



Joined: 26 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more negativity?

I would like to share how my experience so far has been really good. My school has treated me with a lot of professionalism, class, respect, and care.

People don't realize that ONLY the negative experiences are posted online in forums like this. When things are good, people don't need to post about it. It's taken for granted. Only when you've had a bad experience will people post. So as a viewer, one might summarize that every ESL teacher in korea is being mistreated and having a hellish experience while in fact it's probably just 10% or 1 in 10 who are having terrible experiences and blabbing about it online while the rest of us have been treated well.

If there are 20,000 NETs in Korea, then 2,000 of them are posting negative things about their experience and it would seem like it's an epidemic happening to everyone and Korea but 18,000 other teachers are fine enough to not have to post a book about their issues.

What I'm saying is, Korea and the foreigners who live in Korea (working) have a weird sort of "perfectionist" attitude and expectation of Korea. Even if 80-90% is "good", people will always continue to find more ways to criticize and look down upon Korea and their way of life as never being good enough.

I, for one, am glad that Korean schools don't have metal detectors and police officers guarding the doors and grounds with machine guns like they do in the states. I, for one, am glad I can walk around the town not worrying about getting randomly shot at or held at gunpoint like you would in the West.

But, I suppose this is always natural as foreigners in ANY country, even in your own home country, foreigners are always griping and calling for reform and more benefits, equal treatment, and more goodies. I guess now you know what's it like to be a foreigner, so when you go back home, you won't look down so much upon all the new immigrants in your country who don't look like you, speak your language, smell like you, and do the same things as you.
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oatmeal



Joined: 26 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more negativity?

I would like to share how my experience so far has been really good. My school has treated me with a lot of professionalism, class, respect, and care.

People don't realize that ONLY the negative experiences are posted online in forums like this. When things are good, people don't need to post about it. It's taken for granted. Only when you've had a bad experience will people post. So as a viewer, one might summarize that every ESL teacher in korea is being mistreated and having a hellish experience while in fact it's probably just 10% or 1 in 10 who are having terrible experiences and blabbing about it online while the rest of us have been treated well.

If there are 20,000 NETs in Korea, then 2,000 of them are posting negative things about their experience and it would seem like it's an epidemic happening to everyone and Korea but 18,000 other teachers are fine enough to not have to post a book about their issues.

What I'm saying is, Korea and the foreigners who live in Korea (working) have a weird sort of "perfectionist" attitude and expectation of Korea. Even if 80-90% is "good", people will always continue to find more ways to criticize and look down upon Korea and their way of life as never being good enough.

I, for one, am glad that Korean schools don't have metal detectors and police officers guarding the doors and grounds with machine guns like they do in the states. I, for one, am glad I can walk around the town not worrying about getting randomly shot at or held at gunpoint like you would in the West.

But, I suppose this is always natural as foreigners in ANY country, even in your own home country, foreigners are always griping and calling for reform and more benefits, equal treatment, and more goodies. I guess now you know what's it like to be a foreigner, so when you go back home, you won't look down so much upon all the new immigrants in your country who don't look like you, speak your language, smell like you, and do the same things as you.
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I suspect he's not Korean, but rather a native speaker of English pretending to be a Korean pretending to be a native speaker of English.


Sounds more like some kind of AI to me.

waitandsee wrote:
False.

Have the patience and decency to start your own thread to support your own arguments, instead of impulsively allowing your hidden resentment for other people's goals to be expressed as unsolicited advice.

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Now back on topic:

I feel we can all make a change here. Let's keep the ball rolling and let's keep this dialog here lighthearted.


waitandsee wrote:
I apologize for the community who are witnessing the impulsive postings...
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oatmeal wrote:
more negativity?

People don't realize that ONLY the negative experiences are posted online in forums like this. When things are good, people don't need to post about it. It's taken for granted. Only when you've had a bad experience will people post. So as a viewer, one might summarize that every ESL teacher in korea is being mistreated and having a hellish experience while in fact it's probably just 10% or 1 in 10 who are having terrible experiences and blabbing about it online while the rest of us have been treated well.

If there are 20,000 NETs in Korea, then 2,000 of them are posting negative things about their experience and it would seem like it's an epidemic happening to everyone and Korea but 18,000 other teachers are fine enough to not have to post a book about their issues.

What I'm saying is, Korea and the foreigners who live in Korea (working) have a weird sort of "perfectionist" attitude and expectation of Korea. Even if 80-90% is "good", people will always continue to find more ways to criticize and look down upon Korea and their way of life as never being good enough.

I, for one, am glad that Korean schools don't have metal detectors and police officers guarding the doors and grounds with machine guns like they do in the states. I, for one, am glad I can walk around the town not worrying about getting randomly shot at or held at gunpoint like you would in the West.



At first you make a point about people only posting the bad experiences online and making it look like everyone gets treated badly in Korea. Then, you pull the same stunt you were complaining about by making this claim that in the West people get shot and mugged all the time. How did you come to this conclusion? Was it because you watched the news? The news only reports the bad things that happen as well and makes it seem like most people get shot or held at gun point. That is exactly what you were stating about NETs on this board. While Korea is relatively safer in terms of gun violence, there isn't some huge gap between Korea and the West in terms of safety.
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