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AfroBurrito
Joined: 19 Dec 2013
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From the Korean Sentry...An early post...but...
"Re: Ferry sinks off S Korea coast 450 on board
Postby Gaemamusa » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:02 am
Consoleman wrote:
All 450 passengers were rescued or being rescued at the moment.
http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_d ... 00882.html
Great news. A perfect demonstration of how South Korea is effective at these rescue operations.  " |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| The best evidence is the student video taken inside the ferry. The kids were told not to move 8 times over the p.a. system. I think the 5th or 6th time was "never move." The last p.a. announcement was to put on vests. Best student quote: "What's the captain doing?" |
He jumped ship in just his undies, so one could make a few guesses.
BTW, when is ferry humor acceptable here? |
I don't think uklathemock's comment was humor, but yours made me laugh. |
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nuthatch
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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nuthatch
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is the eejit in particular on the intercom who told them all to stay put? |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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The author of the following is not me...
Reflections on sinking of Sewol
By Daniel Davies
Since I learned of the tragic sinking of the Sewol I have been afflicted with a sadness that I cannot shake off. The news reports flashed on the TV screen of the airport limousine upon my arrival in Korea on April 16.
Three hundred beautiful high school students dead or missing, with no hope of any more survivors. The immense tragedy with which the teachers at Danwon High School in Ansan are dealing is something I can understand. I retired from teaching at Cheongshim International Academy on March 1.
The rescued, dead and missing students are not faceless to me. They are the faces of my students whom I love intensely and dearly. When I think of the students in the Sewol tragedy, I see my students’ shining eyes and faces, optimistic minds, pure hearts and boundless hope for the future of Korea and the world.
I feel the heartbreak and despair of the parents, grandparents, relatives, teachers and staff as my own. I can understand the vice principal’s taking his own life rather than living with the agony that, as the responsible chaperone, he lived while so many students in his care perished.
They are not nameless students to him; he welcomed them into his school and spent every day fostering their education and wellbeing. What he arranged as a life-enhancing, memorable experience for his students became a hellish nightmare. He apparently could not live with the agony of his loss.
The captain, first and second mates acted in ways difficult to comprehend. Surely they knew that a boatload of high school students entrusted their lives to their care.
Rather than dash into the passengers’ quarters with the news to abandon ship, personally supervising everyone’s safe departure on lifeboats, the captain delayed the abandon-ship command, then made their own escape leaving the students to fend for themselves with misguided instructions to stay put.
Time will tell during the court proceedings exactly what happened on the bridge and why the crew abandoned the passengers to almost certain death.
I heard one news report that discussed the tradition of students obeying their elders and teachers. From my experience as a teacher at CSIA, I know that this is true.
That is one of the beauties of Korean schools. Students respect their teachers and follow their directions. And teachers follow the directions of their superiors as well.
Yet that beautiful tradition has the weakness of encouraging students to ignore their own sense of what is right. Those who stayed put even while the Sewol continued to tilt, then finally capsize, died. Those who ignored the call to stay put lived.
A sad coincidence lay in the shipwreck of the Kumagawa Maru on June 11, 1902 in waters nearby where the Sewol capsized and sank.
Henry G. Appenzeller, founder of Paichai Hakdang, the first high school in Korea to teach progressive, liberal democratic values, drowned in that shipwreck along with 27 other passengers.
The loss of Henry G. Appenzeller, just 44 years old, had tragic consequences for Korea. As a leader of the independence movement whose U.S. citizenship earned him protection not afforded Koreans, Appenzeller led efforts to resist Japanese and Russian designs on Korea by encouraging King Kojong to promote progressive principles and trying to arrange a treaty of protection with the U.S.
His school, Paichai Hakdang, bred a number of progressive leaders who became patriots in the fight against the Japanese, Chinese and Russian imperial designs on Korea.
We are still waiting for the recovery of the bodies of more than 100 students from the sunken ship. With all hope of finding more survivors gone, our task is to pray that God will receive the lovely souls of the 300 Danwon High School students, as well as Henry G. Appenzeller and the other 27 souls aboard the Kumagawa Maru, into the glory of heaven.
The writer is an adjunct professor for University of Maryland in history and philosophy. He wrote many articles on the independence movement and founding of protestanism in Korea. His email address [email protected]. |
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sweetrevenge
Joined: 24 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| This thread is full of contradictory evidence that its baffling what to make of this situation. There was a timeline presented which included the transmission logs between a Sewol crew member and the coast guard which seemed to imply that within 4 minutes that something went wrong, shit hit the fan and nobody on board could even move due to steep recline. Then somebody posted that the captain changed his clothes but if the timeline was correct, they shouldn't have had ant time to change their clothes. Then there is that article that kids were texting at 10:07AM or whatever but I thought the boat was already capsized at that point. |
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nuthatch
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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radish kimchi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| wonder who the eejit is in particular who told them all to stay put |
There were Irish and Scots on the boat? 
I think the captain should have been the one to tell them to stay put or instruct others to bring groups up to the top of the boat. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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The cult ties are growing larger and scarier.
Does anyone in Anseong know about the compound and amusemment park only for cult members? Where is it in Anseong? What about the organic grocery store in Seoul?
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2988738&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1
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A celebrated veteran actress is suspected of being a close ally with the owner family of the beleaguered operator of the sunken Sewol ferry and holding executive positions in the operator’s affiliates as well as a religious institution linked to that family.
Kim Kyung-sook, better known by her stage name Jeon Yang-ja, faces a travel ban and is expected to be summoned for questioning over corruption allegations involving Yoo Byung-eun, the family’s patriarch, and his two sons, according to the Incheon District Prosecutors’ Office yesterday.
Born in 1942, Kim is a well-known actress and has appeared in more than 40 soap operas.
The ban is part of a widening investigation into allegations that Yoo committed financial irregularities to collect slush funds. A joint investigation team of prosecutors and police officers is currently focused on verifying whether the alleged misconduct contributed to the sloppy safety management of the Chonghaejin Marine Company, which operated the Sewol.
Prosecutors allege that Kim aided in misappropriating company funds while closely being engaged in the management of the family’s businesses.
The investigators of the Incheon office yesterday embarked on tracking down the bank accounts of the actress in order to examine any financial transactions connected to the Yoo family.
Kim is the head of a video production affiliate as well as a religious facility for a pseudo-Christian cult headed by the 73-year-old Yoo.
The production company, Kukje Yeongsang, appears to have close connections with the ferry operator, because Kim Han-sik, the president of Chonghaejin currently under interrogation, serves as an auditor to the production subsidiary.
The elder Yoo held a 28.8 percent stake in the video production company until 2009.
The 72-year-old actress serves as the president at an organic food sales affiliate and is registered on the board of directors of I-One-I Holdings, the operator’s holding company.
The organic grocery store, known as Noreunja Shopping, operates in Samseong-dong, southern Seoul.
A staff member of the grocery store confirmed that Kim is the head of the store.
“She arranged food and products until January and showed up almost daily,” said the employee, who wished to remain anonymous. “But when she was working on a drama, she came here only once a week.”
Besides her business-related roles, Kim is also suspected of playing a key role in promoting a controversial pseudo-Christian cult led by Yoo. Prosecutors said that Kim is now the managing director of a religious facility called Geumsuwon in Anseong, Gyeonggi.
The complex is known to encompass various restaurants, shops and even an amusement park, services that are exclusively available for believers. Members of the religious group often gather there to pray together, and nonbelievers are banned from visiting.
Yoo is accused of forcing members to invest in the companies he and his sons operate.
The group came into the public eye in 1987, after Yoo was investigated over allegations that he was behind the mass murder-suicide of 32 religious believers.
At that time, he served as the minister of the cult.
Kim publicly admitted to being a devout believer during a press conference in 1991.
In the face of the allegations brought up against her, Kim denied any wrongdoing.
“I will participate in the questioning as frankly as I can,” she said on Monday.
“I have nothing to hide and I would not avoid any request for questioning by the prosecutors,” she added in an interview with the JoongAng Ilbo.
She has not turned up to film scenes for a drama in which she currently stars. MBC, the broadcasting company, said that it will make a decision on whether to drop her later.
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uklathemock
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| "At the time of accident, the ferry carried a whopping 3.7 times its cargo capacity of 978 tons." damn. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| This investigation seems to be going very 'scorched earth' on the company responsible (which I believe is warranted), but that just seems like PR busy-work to me. There needs to be policy reforms to increase scrutiny of adherence to safety standards in this and similar fields. Otherwise I don't see what will keep this from happening again. |
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radish kimchi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Otherwise I don't see what will keep this from happening again. |
They need to make a pathway instead of relying on radars. The boats should look more like a "V" so if cargo moves it goes directly down and not left or right. The weight wasn't what sank it, it was the movement. |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Otherwise I don't see what will keep this from happening again. |
1. They need to make a pathway instead of relying on radars. 2. The boats should look more like a "V" so if cargo moves it goes directly down and not left or right. The weight wasn't what sank it, it was the movement. |
I'm not sure I understood either 1. (ships just use radar to determine their path on a per-trip basis?) or 2. (the decks of the ship should not be level?) in what you said.
I'm under the impression the movement wouldn't have sank it if not for the weight. Isn't that what being rated for a certain weight (beyond which it was loaded) means? That the maximum allowed weight is the limit for loads at which the ship can safely travel (and by extension, maneuver)? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Otherwise I don't see what will keep this from happening again. |
They need to make a pathway instead of relying on radars. The boats should look more like a "V" so if cargo moves it goes directly down and not left or right. The weight wasn't what sank it, it was the movement. |
In other words, it ain't the meat, it's the motion? |
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