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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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This is all funny to me. I come from an engineering background where copying, cheating, (aka reverse-engineering), is encouraged to save both time and cost. "No point reinventing the wheel" my manager would always tell me. "Leave the fancy calculations, and algorithms, for the PhD's"...
Anyways, most North American private companies do very very little original research in-house. That's why they throw money at universities, and favored PhD's, until one of them comes up with a good idea that a company can manufacture and make it affordable to the masses. From what I hear Korean and Japanese spend way way more money on in-house research.
Sorry for my aside... But come guys, unless your an instructor in a university I wouldn't be testing these kids, or give them any real homework, or projects. It'll just make them hate english more than they already do, and that's counter-productive. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
This is all funny to me. I come from an engineering background where copying, cheating, (aka reverse-engineering), is encouraged to save both time and cost. "No point reinventing the wheel" my manager would always tell me. "Leave the fancy calculations, and algorithms, for the PhD's"...
Anyways, most North American private companies do very very little original research in-house. That's why they throw money at universities, and favored PhD's, until one of them comes up with a good idea that a company can manufacture and make it affordable to the masses. From what I hear Korean and Japanese spend way way more money on in-house research.
Sorry for my aside... But come guys, unless your an instructor in a university I wouldn't be testing these kids, or give them any real homework, or projects. It'll just make them hate english more than they already do, and that's counter-productive. |
So what you're saying is North American companies pay trained professionals with highly specialized skills to do highly specialized research and then have a larger pool of less educated people to implement those ideas into practical products?
Yes, that sounds very fishy indeed! Imagine, paying some people to do one job and others to do another based on their qualifications. Sounds exactly like a middle schooler copy and pasting a wiki article for course credit, indeed. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
This is all funny to me. I come from an engineering background where copying, cheating, (aka reverse-engineering), is encouraged to save both time and cost. "No point reinventing the wheel" my manager would always tell me. "Leave the fancy calculations, and algorithms, for the PhD's"...
Anyways, most North American private companies do very very little original research in-house. That's why they throw money at universities, and favored PhD's, until one of them comes up with a good idea that a company can manufacture and make it affordable to the masses. From what I hear Korean and Japanese spend way way more money on in-house research.
Sorry for my aside... But come guys, unless your an instructor in a university I wouldn't be testing these kids, or give them any real homework, or projects. It'll just make them hate english more than they already do, and that's counter-productive. |
So what you're saying is North American companies pay trained professionals with highly specialized skills to do highly specialized research and then have a larger pool of less educated people to implement those ideas into practical products?
Yes, that sounds very fishy indeed! Imagine, paying some people to do one job and others to do another based on their qualifications. Sounds exactly like a middle schooler copy and pasting a wiki article for course credit, indeed. |
Actually yes. It's similar to copy and past, but you've got to be educated enough to determine what's worth while to copy. Add a few modifications here and there and sometimes you get really good products like Apple released when Jobs was alive. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| They are not cheating. They are just changing the conditions of the test. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
This is all funny to me. I come from an engineering background where copying, cheating, (aka reverse-engineering), is encouraged to save both time and cost. "No point reinventing the wheel" my manager would always tell me. "Leave the fancy calculations, and algorithms, for the PhD's"...
Anyways, most North American private companies do very very little original research in-house. That's why they throw money at universities, and favored PhD's, until one of them comes up with a good idea that a company can manufacture and make it affordable to the masses. From what I hear Korean and Japanese spend way way more money on in-house research.
Sorry for my aside... But come guys, unless your an instructor in a university I wouldn't be testing these kids, or give them any real homework, or projects. It'll just make them hate english more than they already do, and that's counter-productive. |
So what you're saying is North American companies pay trained professionals with highly specialized skills to do highly specialized research and then have a larger pool of less educated people to implement those ideas into practical products?
Yes, that sounds very fishy indeed! Imagine, paying some people to do one job and others to do another based on their qualifications. Sounds exactly like a middle schooler copy and pasting a wiki article for course credit, indeed. |
Actually yes. It's similar to copy and past, but you've got to be educated enough to determine what's worth while to copy. Add a few modifications here and there and sometimes you get really good products like Apple released when Jobs was alive. |
Well as long as we are introducing fields of endeavor outside of Academia, Jimmy Page, rightfully acknowledged as one of the greatest rock guitarists of all time, lifted, borrowed, and stole so many riffs and lyrics it's not even funny. Then again, maybe it is!
http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,222333,222587
"Led Zeppelin long had an unsavory reputation for taking music and lyrics from lesser-known artists. Many times the songs were never credited to their authors and undue royalties lined the pockets of the millionaire British musicians. Further, their American heroes, often poor and black, never saw a dime from songs they had written before their heirs ever picked up an instrument. Led Zeppelin has been taken to court over the matter on numerous occasions" |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| It's not cheating, it's cunning! |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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Western whiners.....this is Korea.
Don't like it, then...........GTFO.  |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Sector7G wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
This is all funny to me. I come from an engineering background where copying, cheating, (aka reverse-engineering), is encouraged to save both time and cost. "No point reinventing the wheel" my manager would always tell me. "Leave the fancy calculations, and algorithms, for the PhD's"...
Anyways, most North American private companies do very very little original research in-house. That's why they throw money at universities, and favored PhD's, until one of them comes up with a good idea that a company can manufacture and make it affordable to the masses. From what I hear Korean and Japanese spend way way more money on in-house research.
Sorry for my aside... But come guys, unless your an instructor in a university I wouldn't be testing these kids, or give them any real homework, or projects. It'll just make them hate english more than they already do, and that's counter-productive. |
So what you're saying is North American companies pay trained professionals with highly specialized skills to do highly specialized research and then have a larger pool of less educated people to implement those ideas into practical products?
Yes, that sounds very fishy indeed! Imagine, paying some people to do one job and others to do another based on their qualifications. Sounds exactly like a middle schooler copy and pasting a wiki article for course credit, indeed. |
Actually yes. It's similar to copy and past, but you've got to be educated enough to determine what's worth while to copy. Add a few modifications here and there and sometimes you get really good products like Apple released when Jobs was alive. |
Well as long as we are introducing fields of endeavor outside of Academia, Jimmy Page, rightfully acknowledged as one of the greatest rock guitarists of all time, lifted, borrowed, and stole so many riffs and lyrics it's not even funny. Then again, maybe it is!
http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,222333,222587
"Led Zeppelin long had an unsavory reputation for taking music and lyrics from lesser-known artists. Many times the songs were never credited to their authors and undue royalties lined the pockets of the millionaire British musicians. Further, their American heroes, often poor and black, never saw a dime from songs they had written before their heirs ever picked up an instrument. Led Zeppelin has been taken to court over the matter on numerous occasions" |
Ah, another "everyone copies" line.
True about Zepplin, but despite all that, Zepplin still had their own unique sound, and the end product was way different from the original blues bands they borrowed from, making it a fairly unique synthesis. Also, copying to that extent is a bit of a scandal in the West, but by contrast check out K-pop. ALL copied, and nobody cares because most of them never heard the original versions anyway.
Copying here is the norm and there is zero shame in doing it. Don't expect this to change. When they are caught doing it, they are only bummed out to the extent that it might mess with their scores or profits, but they don't perceive it as even a little bit wrong. And as for companies (Samsuk) when they do it and are caught, they just point the finger right back : "No, YOU were copying, and we're bringing forth a law suit against YOU for saying so." |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
Ah, another "everyone copies" line.
True about Zepplin, but despite all that, Zepplin still had their own unique sound, and the end product was way different from the original blues bands they borrowed from, making it a fairly unique synthesis. Also, copying to that extent is a bit of a scandal in the West, but by contrast check out K-pop. ALL copied, and nobody cares because most of them never heard the original versions anyway.
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Hey, don't get me wrong, I love Zeppelin and actually appreciate their music now more than I did during their heyday. In the past two years I've read 2 books about the band, watched 2 dvds borrowed from the library, and bought about 5 albums worth of tracks from Amazon(yes, bought legally).
But, to quote the article I linked to above:
"His(Page's) fretwork itself is unassailable. Even on the lightweight session material he appears on, Page's guitar playing is impeccable (which is amazing if you consider that the majority of those forgotten groups should not have been within ear-shot of a studio)
"But it his(Page's) habit for putting his name on others materials that is being examined here, not his guitar sorcery." |
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