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Good Will Riker
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 Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 6:18 am Post subject: Future Jobs: our diplomas/transcripts checked online? |
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When performing the CBC and medical check in seeking out new employment at a hagwon, I heard through the grapevine back in 2011 that university diplomas and transcripts can be checked and verified online by potential employers and getting a university diploma and transcripts apostilled is no longer necessary.
Is this true? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:11 am Post subject: |
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http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/verifiers/degree/
Anyone who has applied for a Saudi employment visa knows about this company. I believe most American universities that are legitimate are coordinated with this group. |
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Good Will Riker
Joined: 25 Dec 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/verifiers/degree/
Anyone who has applied for a Saudi employment visa knows about this company. I believe most American universities that are legitimate are coordinated with this group. |
Thank you.
However, "Yes" to Saudi Arabia does not necessarily mean the same for South Korea.
Same question:
Do potential/future employers at hagwons check your university diploma/transcripts online rather than going through the apostille process for both.
I am a United States citizen living in Korea. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Good Will Riker wrote: |
Same question:
Do potential/future employers at hagwons check your university diploma/transcripts online rather than going through the apostille process for both.
I am a United States citizen living in Korea. |
Short answer = NO.
Longer answer =
- Saudi is NOT a member to the apostille convention. The ROK is.
- While a potential employer might, immigration and the MOE don't/won't.
It is easier to make the visa applicant authenticate their documents (A lesson learned from experience by the ROK dealing with the US embassy's service over the last 50 years).
- The ROK just followed the leader (the USA) for visa issuance.
If you think E2 applicants have it bad... try getting a work visa to enter the USA. Getting an E2 is a walk in the park by comparison.
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Good Will Riker wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/verifiers/degree/
Anyone who has applied for a Saudi employment visa knows about this company. I believe most American universities that are legitimate are coordinated with this group. |
Thank you.
However, "Yes" to Saudi Arabia does not necessarily mean the same for South Korea.
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I actually wasn't implying that you can use this organization for South Korea. I've never heard of anyone using it in South Korea. I was just simply pointing it out. |
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Good Will Riker
Joined: 25 Dec 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Short answer = NO.
Longer answer =
- Saudi is NOT a member to the apostille convention. The ROK is.
- While a potential employer might, immigration and the MOE don't/won't.
It is easier to make the visa applicant authenticate their documents (A lesson learned from experience by the ROK dealing with the US embassy's service over the last 50 years).
- The ROK just followed the leader (the USA) for visa issuance.
If you think E2 applicants have it bad... try getting a work visa to enter the USA. Getting an E2 is a walk in the park by comparison.
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I am presently applying to hagwons.
In what instances are 2 sets of sealed university transcripts needed to be apostilled? Because if this is an option in my case -- then I would prefer to forgo this additional process.
For the record, I am an F-4 visa holder from the United States. In my situation, what are the MINIMUM docs, check ups, etc. officially required to work in a hagwon and where should I submit these docs (I live in Ilsan.)?
In fact, do I hang onto my docs until I show them to my future hagwon boss or do I hand them over to the Korean government first before I even interview and land a job? How many photocopies of all of my docs do I need?
And, how much and how long of a pain in the ass is all of this for me as those Korean decision-makers -- lacking fore-sight -- never see the big picture in all of this in the long run? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Good Will Riker wrote: |
I am presently applying to hagwons.
In what instances are 2 sets of sealed university transcripts needed to be apostilled? Because if this is an option in my case -- then I would prefer to forgo this additional process.
For the record, I am an F-4 visa holder from the United States. In my situation, what are the MINIMUM docs, check ups, etc. officially required to work in a hagwon and where should I submit these docs (I live in Ilsan.)?
In fact, do I hang onto my docs until I show them to my future hagwon boss or do I hand them over to the Korean government first before I even interview and land a job? How many photocopies of all of my docs do I need?
And, how much and how long of a pain in the ass is all of this for me as those Korean decision-makers -- lacking fore-sight -- never see the big picture in all of this in the long run? |
There is NO case other than possibly an "employer requirement" that the transcripts need an apostille.
If they are sealed they can't be apostilled.
For work as a "teacher" (even F4) you will need:
- certified true copy (notarized copy) of your degree with an apostille affixed to it.
- FBI check with seal and apostille and it has to be 6 months or less old when submitted to the appropriate government agency.
EVERYTHING else that you see requested is an employer requirement.
For those on an E2 the apostilled documents go to immigration during the E2 application process.
For those on an F2/4/5/6 visa the documents go to the local MOE (via your employer) when your employer registers you as a teacher. The MOE registration is required in EVERY CASE when the employer is licensed by the MOE. (schools, foreign language/math/science hagwons, etc.) .
The MOE will NOT usually return your authenticated documents.
The process for most is fairly painless although it is expensive and time consuming when done from abroad.
For Americans, on the other hand, the process is painful, expensive and time consuming due to the various systems in the States (federal for the FBI, state (50 flavors with 50 different processes) for the degree).
You are looking at 6-16 weeks depending on whether you have someone at home who can do the legwork or if you are sending everything from here.
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Good Will Riker
Joined: 25 Dec 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
For those on an F2/4/5/6 visa the documents go to the local MOE (via your employer) when your employer registers you as a teacher. The MOE registration is required in EVERY CASE when the employer is licensed by the MOE. (schools, foreign language/math/science hagwons, etc.) .
The MOE will NOT usually return your authenticated documents. |
Can we F-4 visa holders independently turn these documents into our nearest MOE "before" we have even interviewed or landed a potential job with a hagwon, or do we have to hang onto them in our personal possessions when going in for these job interviews? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Good Will Riker wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
For those on an F2/4/5/6 visa the documents go to the local MOE (via your employer) when your employer registers you as a teacher. The MOE registration is required in EVERY CASE when the employer is licensed by the MOE. (schools, foreign language/math/science hagwons, etc.) .
The MOE will NOT usually return your authenticated documents. |
Can we F-4 visa holders independently turn these documents into our nearest MOE "before" we have even interviewed or landed a potential job with a hagwon, or do we have to hang onto them in our personal possessions when going in for these job interviews? |
Hang on to them.
They will be needed by the employer to register you as a teacher once you actually get a job.
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Good Will Riker
Joined: 25 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Hang on to them.
They will be needed by the employer to register you as a teacher once you actually get a job.
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I have heard rumors early this year once you turn those necessary documents in and registered with the MOE -- just once -- you never have to go through the process again.
However, once we leave Korea (i.e. vacation, business trip) we have to go through the CBC all over again. TRUE? (I know it is true, but hearing it from you confirms it.) |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| Good Will Riker wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Hang on to them.
They will be needed by the employer to register you as a teacher once you actually get a job.
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I have heard rumors early this year once you turn those necessary documents in and registered with the MOE -- just once -- you never have to go through the process again.
However, once we leave Korea (i.e. vacation, business trip) we have to go through the CBC all over again. TRUE? (I know it is true, but hearing it from you confirms it.) |
Leaving on vacation or for other short duration visits = no.
For as long as you are not out for more than 90 days AND stay in the same jurisdiction then you only need to do it once.
Being out of the country for more than 90 days = yes.
Changing (MOE (POE)) jurisdictions = yes.
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Good Will Riker
Joined: 25 Dec 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Leaving on vacation or for other short duration visits = no.
For as long as you are not out for more than 90 days AND stay in the same jurisdiction then you only need to do it once.
Being out of the country for more than 90 days = yes.
Changing (MOE (POE)) jurisdictions = yes. |
Sounds about right.
By the way, how long are our FBI CBC, diploma apostille, and medical check good for in our personal possession until we turn them into the MOE? |
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