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creeper1
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 Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 11:05 pm Post subject: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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The anniversary of Dien Bein Phu battle is coming up. May 7th will 60 years ago since the battle finished.
Vietnam has an interesting history. Of course the war with the Americans is very famous and well remembered in popular culture.
Less well known is that the French fought there before the Americans and suffered a devastating defeat.
This documentary shows clips with interviews from people there
starts at 15.00 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0WJCql7_W8 |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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| creeper1 wrote: |
Vietnam has an interesting history. Of course the war with the Americans is very famous and well remembered in popular culture. |
Only with the Americans.
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| creeper1 wrote: |
Vietnam has an interesting history. Of course the war with the Americans is very famous and well remembered in popular culture. |
Only with the Americans.
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GET OFF MY LAWN! |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| creeper1 wrote: |
Vietnam has an interesting history. Of course the war with the Americans is very famous and well remembered in popular culture. |
Only with the Americans.
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Not really, battle of Dien Bien Phu is studied in military colleges for 'how not to' conduct COIN operations. The idea is fine: draw insurgents away from urban area and fight them on open ground of your choosing. Americans have tried that too: Khe Sahn for example, some say invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are same ideas. Why did the French fail? What else were the 'cheese eating surrender monkeys' going to do?  |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| creeper1 wrote: |
Vietnam has an interesting history. Of course the war with the Americans is very famous and well remembered in popular culture. |
Only with the Americans.
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GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Died by Bear/Hokie21/Titus why don't you take your little ridiculous comment to heart and get off of Dave's. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| creeper1 wrote: |
Vietnam has an interesting history. Of course the war with the Americans is very famous and well remembered in popular culture. |
Only with the Americans.
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GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Died by Bear/Hokie21/Titus why don't you take your little ridiculous comment to heart and get off of Dave's. |
Why don't you go to hell. |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| ... is studied in military colleges for 'how not to' ... |
Hardly popular culture.
It is only in America that the Vietnam conflict is popularized.
For most of the rest of the planet it is hardly more than a footnote in history (one of far too many "conflicts").
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andrewchon
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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That's right, it's not popular culture. I don't think the French have a Paris Metro station named Dien Bien Phu, not like the Bir Hakim. Australia have the same problem with Battle of Long Tan. A great victory that nobody knows about and the damned Khe Sahn. At every ANZAC day I tried to explain: Australians were not at battle of Khe Sahn! Just because there's a (very) popular Australian song with Khe Sahn in the lyrics doesn't mean it's true!
Anyway, for Anglophiles anytime the Frogs stuffup, it's schadenfreude. |
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guavashake
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Hardly popular culture.
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Apocalypse Now
The Deer Hunter
Coming Home
Rambo
Missing in Action
Platoon
Born On The Fourth Of July
Dead Presidents
Forest Gump
Good Morning Vietnam
Between Heaven And Earth
Heaven And Earth
Who'll Stop the Rain
etc
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Died By Bear
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 5:25 am Post subject: |
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andrewchon
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Australian movie: The Odd Angry Shot
TV: China Beach
West End musical: Miss Saigon
does 'Air America' and 'We were Soldiers' count? or is anything by Mel Gibson already buried by the Berkley Socialist Republic? |
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ttompatz
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Let's put the pieces together.....
to andrewchon's comment in reference to study in military colleges... they hardly constitute "popular culture".
As to the rest... l like I said very early in the thread ...
only in America (Hollywood based productions or movies for the American market) is the Vietnam War ("American War" for those who are over here) 1960's-1976 popularized in culture.
For the majority of the rest of the planet... just a footnote in history - sort of like the Soviets in Afghanistan.
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radcon
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon? |
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Numpty
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon? |
How many other countries want to? |
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radcon
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Numpty wrote: |
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| Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon? |
How many other countries want to? |
Going on the premise that only big blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide, probably many film industries around the world would like to produce them. |
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