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Numpty

Joined: 19 Dec 2013

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 1:10 am Post subject:

radcon wrote:

Numpty wrote:

radcon wrote:

Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon?

How many other countries want to?

Going on the premise that only big blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide, probably many film industries around the world would like to produce them.

Given that the last big blockbuster type epic you are referencing was made in 1986, perhaps you'd like to invest in the next one? How much? Perhaps you'd like to join up? Even lose a toe in defence of your country? While fighting in a different continent?

radcon

Joined: 23 May 2011

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 1:17 am Post subject:

Numpty wrote:

radcon wrote:

Numpty wrote:

radcon wrote:

Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon?

How many other countries want to?

Going on the premise that only big blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide, probably many film industries around the world would like to produce them.

What are you even talking about? I think Hollywood has produced big expensive movies after 1986. Most of them are crap, but they make a lot of money.

ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 1:18 am Post subject:

radcon wrote:

Numpty wrote:

radcon wrote:

Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon?

How many other countries want to?

Going on the premise that only big blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide, probably many film industries around the world would like to produce them.

Hardly "billions" for Vietnam war movies... decent returns in the States but no real market globally....

150 million gross for Apocalypse Now ('79).
138 million gross for Platoon ('86).

775 million at the box (worldwide) for Star wars IV ('77)
now up to $1.366 BILLION in gross.

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radcon

Joined: 23 May 2011

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 1:23 am Post subject:

ttompatz wrote:

radcon wrote:

Numpty wrote:

radcon wrote:

Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon?

How many other countries want to?

Going on the premise that only big blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide, probably many film industries around the world would like to produce them.

Show me where I said those two specific movies made billions.

Hokie21

Joined: 01 Mar 2011

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Battle of Dien Bein Phu

young_clinton wrote:

Died By Bear wrote:

ttompatz wrote:

creeper1 wrote:

Vietnam has an interesting history. Of course the war with the Americans is very famous and well remembered in popular culture.

Only with the Americans.

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GET OFF MY LAWN!

Died by Bear/Hokie21/Titus why don't you take your little ridiculous comment to heart and get off of Dave's.

My bad.

aq8knyus

Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 11:23 am Post subject:

They were also over a thousand German soldiers at the battle of Dien Bien Phu, some were apparently ex-wehrmact.

ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 3:32 pm Post subject:

radcon wrote:

ttompatz wrote:

radcon wrote:

Numpty wrote:

radcon wrote:

Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon?

How many other countries want to?

Going on the premise that only big blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide, probably many film industries around the world would like to produce them.

Show me where I said those two specific movies made billions.

I guess discourse analysis and implicature don't apply...

"...epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon?""
"...blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide..."

but it certainly seemed like you were implying that those were "epics" and epics made billions worldwide...

As I said.... "only in America" is it "popular".

To the rest of the planet, the "American War" is only a footnote in history.

Your ethnocentricity is showing.

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Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject:

ttompatz wrote:

To the rest of the planet, the "American War" is only a footnote in history.

Your ethnocentricity is showing.

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Ha ha ha! Is that a zinger in Canada or something?!

ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

ttompatz wrote:

To the rest of the planet, the "American War" is only a footnote in history.

Your ethnocentricity is showing.

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Ha ha ha! Is that a zinger in Canada or something?!

If the shoe fits....

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guavashake

Joined: 09 Nov 2013

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:07 pm Post subject:

ttompatz wrote:

Let's put the pieces together.....
l like I said very early in the thread ...

only in America (Hollywood based productions or movies for the American market) is the Vietnam War 1960's-1976 popularized in culture.

For the majority of the rest of the planet... just a footnote in history.

I think you should try to get a grip on reality. The Kool Aid you are drinking has no nutritional value, and the chemicals and sugar can affect your brain.

The movies are not for North America only. Rambo and his exploits in Vietnam, SE Asia, and Afghanistan, were more popular internationally than in North America.

The worldwide income from each of four Rambo Films was much higher than the USA income for each film.
The worldwide income from Rambo: First Blood Part II was over $300,000,000.
The worldwide income for all four Rambo films was closer to one billion dollars.

And besides the movie theaters there are...

Home Videos :All four existing films in the Rambo series are available
Animated series Rambo: The Force of Freedom
Comic books
Video games
Rambo – side-scrolling platformer based on Rambo: First Blood Part II. Released for the NES
Rambo – action RPG based on Rambo: First Blood Part II. Developed by Pack-In-Video for the MSX
Rambo: First Blood Part II - Released for Amstrad CPC, Apple II, Commodore 64, DOS, Master System and ZX Spectrum
Rambo III – Various games released for Amiga, Amstrad CPC, Arcades, Atari ST, Commodore 64, DOS, MSX, Master System, Sega Genesis, and ZX Spectrum
Super Rambo Special - Released for MSX2
Rambo On Fire – Released for mobile phones
Rambo Forever - Released for mobile phones
Rambo Arcade - Sega 2-player light gun game, first released in Japan in 2008, in US in 2009
Rambo: The Video Game - announced in July 2012 for PC, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3
Collectible card game; Rambo is a character in Fight Klub, a trading card game published by Decipher, Inc in February 2009
Soundtracks with music from the films were also released

And Rambo is one example of many examples.

The popular culture of North America is popular in North Korea...

The secret to watching Steven Seagal movies in North Korea
http://www.nknews.org/2013/10/the-secret-to-watching-steven-seagal-movies-in-north-korea-2/
Despite the risks, the people’s desire for freedom was so intense that it could overcome this irrational oppression by the state. And funnily enough one source of information about external societies and the force of capitalism came from the ruling class and elite. Because once the foreign movies and dramas were imported for elite it wasn’t long before they were duplicated and distributed to ordinary people. So it should come as no surprise to you that when I lived in Pyongyang almost all of my friends watched Korean or Chinese dramas as well as American movies.

I will never forget the time when a group of friends and I gathered, covering the window with a thick duvet and fastening two or three locks to the door so we could watch Steven Seagal action movies. Or watching Titanic and embarrassing each other, trying to be manly even though we were shedding tears down our cheeks.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:31 pm Post subject:

The sad thing is that Canadians like Ttompatz are just trolling but the nationalist Americans on here seem fairly sincere.

radcon

Joined: 23 May 2011

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject:

ttompatz wrote:

radcon wrote:

ttompatz wrote:

radcon wrote:

Numpty wrote:

radcon wrote:

Other than Hollywood, how many other film industries around the world even attempt to make an epic on the scale of Apocalypse Now or Platoon?

How many other countries want to?

Going on the premise that only big blockbuster type epics are the only movies that gross in the billions worldwide, probably many film industries around the world would like to produce them.

Show me where I said those two specific movies made billions.

Here is a little logic question for you. "Platoon is an epic movie. Only epic movies make a billion dollars. Did Platoon make a billion dollars? Answer A. Yes B. No C. not enough info to answer.

I wasn't even disagreeing with your original point. I called out the poster who said that film industries other than Hollywood have no interest in making big epic movies.

Your misplaced Canadian smugness is showing.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:52 pm Post subject:

ttompatz wrote:

Let's put the pieces together.....

to andrewchon's comment in reference to study in military colleges... they hardly constitute "popular culture".

As to the rest... l like I said very early in the thread ...

only in America (Hollywood based productions or movies for the American market) is the Vietnam War ("American War" for those who are over here) 1960's-1976 popularized in culture.

For the majority of the rest of the planet... just a footnote in history - sort of like the Soviets in Afghanistan.

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Yeah, not like the French, Laotians, Cambodians, and Thais had anything to do with all of that. Not to mention ANZAC. And of course, SOUTH KOREA, which churns out Vietnam War-based music videos regularly and has Vietnam War scenes in famous movies (i.e. 'The Classic') And well, the Cold War was front and center for the entire world for nearly 50 years and at the head was the USA and the Soviet Union. Sorry, but things did kind of revolve around those two countries. Also, the Vietnam War wasn't just about the battles of the Vietnam War. You had hippies, counterculture, and all of that. I mean, Vietnam and its effects just absolutely DOMINATED the music scene. Think about it- The Beatles and Muhammed Ali, gained even greater notoriety because of Vietnam. Now unless you are willing to claim that the 'Most Popular Band of All-Time' and 'The Greatest' are just "minor cultural footnotes", then I think you need to reevaluate your claim.

How can we tell that Vietnam isn't a minor footnote for the globe? Because when people watch Forrest Gump or We Were Soldiers or any other globally famous Vietnam movie, they know what's going on. Brits and Chinese and Indians and Mexicans aren't staring at Forrest Gump going "What's going on? What's this event? Where are they fighting? Why? Who are all these grungy looking people with long hair? Why are they protesting?" If it were indeed a minor footnote, those things would happen in the theater the world over. They don't. Do you know why? Because people around the globe read and talk about the news.

Just because you think the Vietnam War was a minor footnote and you don't understand it, doesn't make it not significant or stupid. You basically just argued that The Beatles, Counterculture, and Muhammed Ali were minor cultural footnotes.

guavashake

Joined: 09 Nov 2013

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

Yeah.
Not to mention.
And of course,
And well,
Sorry,
I mean,
Think about it - I think you need to reevaluate your claim.
How can we tell?
Because
Do you know why?
Just because.

The show is already over. tp has already been debunked and de-baited.

And it was done in a logical and concise way, unlike your way.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject:

guavashake wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

Yeah.
Not to mention.
And of course,
And well,
Sorry,
I mean,
Think about it - I think you need to reevaluate your claim.
How can we tell?
Because
Do you know why?
Just because.

The show is already over. tp has already been debunked and de-baited.

And it was done in a logical and concise way, unlike your way.

Says the guy whose argument consisted of listing every incarnation of the 'Rambo' franchise.

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