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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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 Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: U.S. soldier dies after street fight in Hongdae |
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He was in a street brawl with other U.S. Servicemen. It happened over last weekend. Two articles
http://www.stripes.com/news/soldier-dies-after-reported-street-fight-in-seoul-1.282216
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SEOUL — A U.S. soldier died after getting in a street fight outside a nightclub in a popular Seoul entertainment district that has twice been placed off-limits to American troops.
Spc. Carl A. Lissone, 20, was knocked unconscious after getting into an argument with another U.S. servicemember during the early-morning hours of May 4 outside Hongdae’s Club Naked, where he had had been drinking and dancing, according to the Pyeongtaek Police Office.
Lissone was bleeding from his nose and ears, but instead of taking him to a hospital, the three men accompanying him took him to a hotel in Pyeongtaek, near U.S. Army Garrison Humphreys, police officials said.
The men reported Lissone’s death to U.S. military officials at 1 p.m.
The chief of Pyeongtaek police’s criminal affairs department said Lissone was alive when he was taken to the hotel but died from a brain hemorrhage. No one has been charged or taken into custody. The men may have been violating U.S. Forces Korea's nighttime off-post curfew, instituted in 2011 after two rapes of South Korean teenagers by U.S. soldiers.
The fight began when one of the servicemembers claimed he had been pushed by another person in the group against a stage inside the venue, he said. The other two men then joined in the brawl.
The 8th Army first announced Lissone’s death after being contacted by the Korea Herald on Wednesday. On Thursday, it issued a statement saying that the native of Covington, Ga., became unresponsive in Pyeongtaek’s Anjung-ri district – the area just outside Humphreys and was taken to Good Morning Hospital in Pyeongtaek, where he was later pronounced dead.
The statement said the circumstances of Lissone’s death are under joint investigation by South Korean police and U.S. officials.
"In the wake of this loss, the entire Eighth Army team is committed to providing accurate and timely information to the family, caring and supporting the Soldiers and colleagues affected by this tragedy, and fully assisting and participating in the ongoing investigation," Brig. Gen. Brian J. McKiernan, the 8th Army’s deputy commanding general for operations said in a statement.
Lissone was an information technology specialist with the 304th Expeditionary Signal Battalion, 1st Signal Brigade, which relocated from Camp Stanley to Humphreys in 2012.
Hongdae was placed off-limits at night to U.S. troops in 2007 after a U.S. servicemember raped a 67-year-old woman there. Pvt. Geronimo Ramirez of the 2nd Infantry Division was sentenced to four years in prison for the attack.
That off-limits designation has since been lifted, and the area, with its thriving nightlife fueled by students from nearby universities, is a popular nighttime destination for U.S. servicemembers.
Hongdae earlier was placed off-limits to U.S. troops in December 2002-May 2006 because of unspecified “force-protection concerns.” The area was opened back up to the military after South Korean and U.S. personnel conducted a combined threat assessment and deemed it safe.
While the U.S. military conducts nighttime patrols of entertainment districts outside U.S. installations – like Itaewon outside U.S. Army Garrison Yongsan and Songtan outside Osan Air Base – several popular areas of Seoul are not monitored.
Last year, Yoo Wonsoon, president of the Itaewon Bar Owners’ Association, said U.S. Forces Korea’s nighttime curfew was driving troops out of Itaewon to districts of Seoul not patrolled by military authorities, including Gangnam and Hongdae.
“If they are going to Hongdae or Gangnam, they can’t be safe because there are no MPs patrolling (there),” he said.
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Korea Herald
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20140508000880
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A United States serviceman died after a brawl on the street outside a popular dance club in Seoul’s Hongdae district on Sunday over the extended Children’s Day weekend.
Carl Lissone and three others, who had spent the evening drinking and dancing at Club Naked, got into a quarrel shortly after exiting the establishment in the early hours of May 4.
Outside the club, which is popular among men and women serving in the U.S. military stationed here, the 20-year-old Lissone was knocked unconscious during a fight with another U.S. serviceman, according to a government source familiar with the situation.
Although Lissone was bleeding from his nose and ears, two of the three men brought him not to a nearby hospital but to a motel in Pyeongtaek, Gyeonggi Province, near Camp Humphreys, where they are stationed.
Lissone was then taken to Good Morning Hospital in Pyeongtaek, where he was pronounced dead.
The men did not report his death to military authorities until 1 p.m. that day. Criminal charges against any of the three men have not yet been made, a United States Forces Korea spokesperson said.
“There was one soldier who essentially became unresponsive and he did die. The facts of what actually happened are a part of the KNP (Korean National Police)’s investigation,” said Col. Shawn Stroud, chief of public affairs for the 8th Army. “There is obviously deep sorrow within the 8th Army and within his unit, as well as back in the States where his family lives.”
The soldiers were in violation of multiple USFK rules placed on its personnel, including the underage consumption of alcohol, violating curfew and fighting.
Military authorities are now considering placing Club Naked on the list of locations off-limits to U.S. military personnel as a result of the incident, according to the government source.
Stroud said it is too soon to speculate whether the soldier’s death could push the USFK to prohibit all servicemen from visiting Hongdae, saying, “That is something the senior leadership will look at.”
According to a Facebook page registered in his name, Lissone was a graduate of Lithonia High School in Lithonia, Georgia, in the greater Atlanta area.
Lissone was a part of the 304th Expeditionary Signal Battalion, which was the first element to relocate to Camp Humphreys in December 2012 as part of the 2004 Land Partnership Program agreement between the U.S. and South Korea to move American soldiers south of the Hangang River.
Lithonia High School alumni have created the hashtag #RIPCarlLissone on Twitter for those wishing to send prayers and condolences for Lissone and his family.
By Philip Iglauer ([email protected])
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optik404
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| That guy had some shitty friends. |
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BackRow
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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I'm convinced the U.S. sends the worst soldiers to station in Korea, given that it's an easy assignment and they don't have any real responsibilities and thus no way for them to mess it up.
Time and time again the ones here show they are for the most part morons. Hell, they aren't even in shape usually it seems. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 5:12 am Post subject: |
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You have to be above average to get overseas posting.  |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Nothing says teamwork like bringing your brother in arms who is bleeding from the nose and ears to a love hotel insted of a hospital. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| BackRow wrote: |
I'm convinced the U.S. sends the worst soldiers to station in Korea, given that it's an easy assignment and they don't have any real responsibilities and thus no way for them to mess it up.
Time and time again the ones here show they are for the most part morons. Hell, they aren't even in shape usually it seems. |
Can't sleep, perusing ole' Daves and hoping for a good laugh and find it,
albeit coming from a rather tragic incident and thread.
After reading this, I did laugh and immediate thought, "Wow, I must be a
real scumbag..."
I'm a vet and my first duty station was Korea. But the laugh generated
from the idea that a military organization of over a million in enlisted soldiers
alone actually takes the time to designate who goes where based
on aptitude and wether, "Ah shucks, he's a good guy, let's send him to
Hawaii." or "He's ghetto trash, let's send him/her to Afghanistan."
I PERSONALLY know of such situations like that happening but at a much
smaller scale and easily manageable. Care to know? Why not?
Ft. Riley, Ks. Two M.P. companies. One a 'deployment unit', the other a
'garrison unit' which means that one is 'battle ready' and the other can
chill in patrol cars, eating donuts and handing out mundane tickets.
Suddenly the deployment unit has orders to be sent to a war zone. Alas,
low and behold, a fair number of the female M.P.s suddenly end up pregnant
and a few male M.P.s go AWOL. That means they need IMMEDIATE
replacements..."Hey Garrison, we need some guys send them over A.S.A.P."
And Garrison thought, no problem! They eagerly send over the 'less
desirables' to fill Deployment's ranks (who wouldn't, I mean, really?).
The only reason I know this is that I (laughing) volunteered and actually
fought to be sent from my actual unit of patrol cars to up-armored Humvees in some far off land.
Most of the replacements were, indeed, knuckleheads and several from my
previous platoon were actually involved in on-post armed robbery weeks
before deployment! No joke! Look it up, key words: Ft. Riley, Military Police, armed robbery,
conspiracy, 1997. But THAT is an entirely different story....ha, goodness.
Excuse me, I love a sharing a good tale....
I don't think I helped my point much, haha, but all in good fun and passing
the time...
Oh yeah, as for most are 'morons'...yeah, perhaps, but I gotta ask that if
all you meet is military morons, is it because you frequent the same places
these morons do?
To be perfectly honest for a moment, I've seen soldiers conduct themselves
far more professionally and even kindly than many'a expat, educated educator.
But that's just my experience. There are cool military cats out
there, hope you meet'em! |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| BackRow wrote: |
I'm convinced the U.S. sends the worst soldiers to station in Korea, given that it's an easy assignment and they don't have any real responsibilities and thus no way for them to mess it up.
Time and time again the ones here show they are for the most part morons. Hell, they aren't even in shape usually it seems. |
Not true...not the worst soldiers get sent here or elsewhere...if that were true...we'd have a heck of a lot more bad reports, crime, etc. given all the soldiers here!
We have a lot of bad teachers here as well..but not all are bad.
Everyone in the military gets rotated from base to base including tours in foreign countries and obviously...the military has its bad apples as do teachers, cops, doctors, and on and on.
I'm not siding with the military...but they also get called up to go to combat and of course, many get killed. So...while being in korea or elsewhere may seem like an easy duty station to many....it does have its down side when your name comes up to go to a war zone!
Of course, many boneheads in the military and private sector who think the rules of society don't apply to them! Those who can't follow the rules need to be weeded out of the military and most usually are. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| BackRow wrote: |
I'm convinced the U.S. sends the worst soldiers to station in Korea, given that it's an easy assignment and they don't have any real responsibilities and thus no way for them to mess it up.
Time and time again the ones here show they are for the most part morons. Hell, they aren't even in shape usually it seems. |
There are bad apples in every bunch. You just never read in the media about the 99% who are doing the right things and volunteering and such. That's boring stuff.
There had to have been many witnesses to them dragging a bleeding person around, especially if they rode the subway back to Pyeongtaek. They should have taken him to a hospital in Seoul. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Hongdae was placed off-limits at night to U.S. troops in 2007 after a U.S. servicemember raped a 67-year-old woman there. Pvt. Geronimo Ramirez of the 2nd Infantry Division was sentenced to four years in prison for the attack. |
Ah yes. That.
After which all white males in the country were viewed as rapists and all ajoshis were portrayed as angels. |
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thrylos
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 1:17 am Post subject: |
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It's funny the military now want to make the club 'off limits', like that will solve the problem or prevent others like it. 
Man, the US is dumber than a doornail. Just give all the GIs 9 o'clock curfews, problem solved for them, us, and the K-folks.  |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Young men are going to be stupid anywhere. This sort of thing happens to Koreans in Korea, and Americans in the US all the time.
I had a good chat with a young soldier the other week in a bar. Where he came from there are no jobs, the schools suck, the infrastructure was falling apart. Guys just joined the army because that was the only game in town. Girls only looked at guys who were serving there, too. It was the only way to get a good career and a family. Either that or deal meth or be born a genius and move to a great university. Not excusing such behaviour, but you give 18 year old guys that option, throw them in a new country where there is simultaneously more freedom and more authority than they've ever had before, and it's hard for them. I get it.
When I was 18 I hated my position in my small conformist suburban city, but I knew I could do more and that there were options. I know people back home that don't realize that, or really don't have options due to a myriad of reasons. That doesn't excuse beating another man to death, or hiding him in a hotel instead of taking him to a hospital. Nor does it preclude all these guys to that fate. But it's a different reality than most of us had to deal with.
Anyway, it's one incident out of thousands of soldiers stationed here. We're not privy to what goes on with Korean soldiers. So I just don't judge all American soldiers on this one incident. It's isolated, and most soldiers that I've met have been great. Some haven't but I'm way more flexible with them. They're learning the American Dream is a lie suddenly overseas away from their families at 18-20. That must be a shock. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: |
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It's funny the military now want to make the club 'off limits', like that will solve the problem or prevent others like it.
Man, the US is dumber than a doornail. Just give all the GIs 9 o'clock curfews, problem solved for them, us, and the K-folks. |
8 o'clock would be better. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| BackRow wrote: |
Time and time again the ones here show they are for the most part morons. |
Among ESL teachers in Korea, there have been child predators and child pornographers.
Most, if not all of them were members of this forum.
One of them I encountered a few times when we were working in dramas and movies.
My experience with Army people in Korea goes like this.
I adopted two puppies and made a plan to transport them to a farm in another country. I don't have space to keep them in Korea.
First I bought an extra large dog box from an Army couple. They sold it for 30,000 won, a small fraction of the cost.
Then I found another Army couple who responded to an ad I put on craigslist.
They kept the dogs at their apartment and took care of them for a few months until I flew with the dogs.
They already had three dogs. The dogs had their own bedroom with an adjacent terrace. I visited once a week and took the dogs for walks.
These people were a great help. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:39 am Post subject: |
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More details are being released.
http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/video-shows-attempt-to-save-soldier-s-life-korean-police-say-1.28264
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Video footage shows that someone tried to save the life of a U.S. soldier shortly before he died of a brain hemorrhage, hours after he was involved in a street fight last week, South Korean police said Monday.
Footage recorded by a street camera showed a foreigner — whom South Korean police believe is an American, though they do not know his identity — administering CPR to Spc. Carl A. Lissone outside a hotel in Pyeongtaek shortly around 1 p.m. on May 4.
At 1:16 p.m., Lissone was taken to a Pyeongtaek hospital, where he was pronounced dead a short time later.
His death is being investigated by U.S. and South Korean authorities.
Many details of what happened on May 4 to Lissone, a 20-year-old information technology specialist stationed at Humphreys, have not been made public.
According to South Korean police accounts, Lissone and at least one friend were drinking and dancing at Club Naked in the Hongdae neighborhood early that morning when Lissone got into a fight outside the club with another soldier at around 3:45 a.m. At least four soldiers eventually became involved in the fight, and Lissone was struck in the head and lost consciousness.
Even though he was bleeding from his nose and ears, his friends transported him back to Pyeongtaek by train, police said.
According to Google maps, a train ride from Hongdae to Pyeongtaek takes a little more than 90 minutes.
Lissone and two others checked into the hotel around 7:30 a.m. on May 4.
The soldiers suspected of involvement in the incident are under the control of their unit leadership, and any decisions about possible restrictions will be made by their commanders, 8th Army spokesman Col. Shawn Stroud said Monday.
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| dairyairy wrote: |
More details are being released.
http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/video-shows-attempt-to-save-soldier-s-life-korean-police-say-1.28264
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Video footage shows that someone tried to save the life of a U.S. soldier shortly before he died of a brain hemorrhage, hours after he was involved in a street fight last week, South Korean police said Monday.
Footage recorded by a street camera showed a foreigner — whom South Korean police believe is an American, though they do not know his identity — administering CPR to Spc. Carl A. Lissone outside a hotel in Pyeongtaek shortly around 1 p.m. on May 4.
At 1:16 p.m., Lissone was taken to a Pyeongtaek hospital, where he was pronounced dead a short time later.
His death is being investigated by U.S. and South Korean authorities.
Many details of what happened on May 4 to Lissone, a 20-year-old information technology specialist stationed at Humphreys, have not been made public.
According to South Korean police accounts, Lissone and at least one friend were drinking and dancing at Club Naked in the Hongdae neighborhood early that morning when Lissone got into a fight outside the club with another soldier at around 3:45 a.m. At least four soldiers eventually became involved in the fight, and Lissone was struck in the head and lost consciousness.
Even though he was bleeding from his nose and ears, his friends transported him back to Pyeongtaek by train, police said.
According to Google maps, a train ride from Hongdae to Pyeongtaek takes a little more than 90 minutes.
Lissone and two others checked into the hotel around 7:30 a.m. on May 4.
The soldiers suspected of involvement in the incident are under the control of their unit leadership, and any decisions about possible restrictions will be made by their commanders, 8th Army spokesman Col. Shawn Stroud said Monday.
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Seriously unfortunate he was out with those people. "Unconscious and bleeding from the ears? Sleep it off, *****." |
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