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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| hubbahubba wrote: |
| yes, wow. teaching 9 hour days..oh me oh my---too much work Try being a "real" teacher back home...lol. Priceless |
Is that a joke? I taught back home, and yes.. we worked for 8-10 hours a day, but actual teaching time is less than 6 hours. Most teachers actually teach 6 50~ minute classes (1 of which may be a study hall or unrelated subject)
The kindy jobs that require people to teach-actually be in the classroom and teach- for more than 6 hours a day are crazy. |
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Real teachers back home work only 180 days per year (meaning more days not working than working). They also get a generous retirement package, meaning they are paid a hell of a lot more. |
you should sign up then, ounds like a great deal. What the hell are you doing here?? Oh, yeah babbling on about how shitty things are..i forgot. |
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
| hubbahubba wrote: |
| yes, wow. teaching 9 hour days..oh me oh my---too much work Try being a "real" teacher back home...lol. Priceless |
Is that a joke? I taught back home, and yes.. we worked for 8-10 hours a day, but actual teaching time is less than 6 hours. Most teachers actually teach 6 50~ minute classes (1 of which may be a study hall or unrelated subject)
The kindy jobs that require people to teach-actually be in the classroom and teach- for more than 6 hours a day are crazy. |
I taught 6 hours a day, every day, with a shit load more prep. Add in prep, grading, sponsoring student council, coaching track, development days, bus duty, NCLB bullshit paperwork, and this place is a breeze..the whinging cracks me up |
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Oh and lets not forget IEP for 7 students out of the 35 in class and the attendant meetings to go along with that--fun-fun-fun-- |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| hubbahubba wrote: |
| Oh and lets not forget IEP for 7 students out of the 35 in class and the attendant meetings to go along with that--fun-fun-fun-- |
still easier than working for a kindergarten here.
I'll take the prep, gradings, meetings etc in favor of having to play edutainer for 6+ hours of contact time.
Not a single time when I taught in the US did I have more than 5 hours of actual contact time (minus coaching which was paid extra).
Also, 15 weeks paid vacation time a year is pretty nice and makes dealing with the extra BS worth it. |
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Mr Lee's Monkey
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 10:24 pm Post subject: long hours, less pay |
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A lot of these kindies expect the teacher to spoon feed the students during lunch, which is not considered contact time. I did it for a few months and was ready to quit when the owners decided maybe they'd gone too far and gave me that time to myself.
In general, hagwon wages have stagnated or gone down in and around Busan. One rarely hears about high paying hagwon gigs because the spots are filled and refilled without any advertising.
To the person who claims to have seen "many" of these jobs posted for 2.5-2.7, where in Korea are you seeing that, Seoul? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: long hours, less pay |
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| I've seen entry level jobs paying this much advertised from time to time, but they stipulate "female only". Women have more bargaining leverage in the job hunting process (and are more sought after and more in demand), unfortunately. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| hubbahubba wrote: |
| you should sign up then, ounds like a great deal. What the hell are you doing here?? Oh, yeah babbling on about how shitty things are..i forgot. |
Excuse me, but I'm neither teaching in Korea nor teaching in the United States (though I have past experience with both), nor do I want to do either, BUT the better alternative among the two (teaching ten hours a day in a Korean kindy or being a public school teacher in the U.S.) is teaching in the U.S. For you to say, "Working ten hours a day in a kindy hagwon is a breeze compared to teaching in America" is a foolish statement. Why? Because American teachers get loads of paid vacation, whereas kindy teachers in Korea do not. Also, just because working at your university job (which you got into years ago) is a "breeze", as you put it, doesn't mean working in a kindy is too. That's a leap in logic. It's comparing apples to oranges. By the way, your uni job pays a fraction of what your public school job paid so it damn well should be easier. Coaching a team after school in the U.S. pays a lot of money. Just being a teacher period in the U.S. pays a lot of money, especially when calculating the amount of money paid into one's retirement account. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| hubbahubba wrote: |
I taught 6 hours a day, every day, with a shit load more prep. Add in prep, grading, sponsoring student council, coaching track, development days, bus duty, NCLB bullshit paperwork, and this place is a breeze..the whinging cracks me up |
Weren't you paid like 3 or 4 times the salary of these Korean jobs? |
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jasonXkeller
Joined: 17 Jan 2012
Location: Redlands, CA
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I really started something here. For some reason I wasn't getting notifications.
I don't intend to insult anyone. Nor do I intend to whine. If a job market is changing, I can accept that. It's fine. I may have to accept 9 hour days in order to work a morning/afternoon shift. Maybe I'm better off biting the bullet and working in the evening. Socially, I didn't really enjoy working second shift. Everyone is different in that regard.
I am wiling to accept a bit less to teach in Seoul or Busan, because I'd rather live there, but I won't accept less pay for more hours and only a one way flight. I'd say anyone with experience would be a sucker to do so. If you've got nothing but a newly minted degree under your belt, maybe you could settle for something like that, but I still wouldn't advise it. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| hubbahubba wrote: |
| you should sign up then, ounds like a great deal. What the hell are you doing here?? Oh, yeah babbling on about how shitty things are..i forgot. |
Excuse me, but I'm neither teaching in Korea nor teaching in the United States (though I have past experience with both), nor do I want to do either, |
So what exactly are you doing now then world traveler apart from posting on dave's? |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are kidding right?
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Exactly, what a bunch of babies.
In investment banking people work 14hr days for no additional salary, you guys can't handle 9hrs?? |
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ashripp
Joined: 02 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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me:
Mon, Wed, Fri 9:30-8:30 Breaks: lunch, only lunch(45 mins) ;(
Tues, Thurs 9:30-6:00 Same deal no breaks at all just a crazy marathon teaching session
Pay 2.7 FML :/ |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Going into 2013, starting salaries for investment banking positions with a bachelors degree (assistant or junior analyst position) should range from $100,000 to $150,000 after bonus. Most of the major banks in NYC are offering a starting salary of around $75,000 plus a $15,000 to $20,000 signing bonus. Further bonus can range from $20,000 to $40,000 depending on performance. Starting salaries with an MBA degree (associate position) range after bonus from $120,000 to $220,000. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Creeper1: Nothing wrong with not teaching English in Korea, but posting on Dave's. You post here while living in China, right? And KimchiNinja is a big shot (non-ESL) corporate worker making big bucks who posts here. (You and him give valuable information to people browsing the forums. It's good to have you on here.) |
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