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Student Limit Per Classroom?

 
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kavanluc



Joined: 15 May 2013
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: Student Limit Per Classroom? Reply with quote
Hello,

I work in a kindergarten hagwon and I keep finding myself in a classroom with sometimes as many as 20 students and no co-teacher or Korean teacher at all, despite repeated requests.

I thought the legal limit for a hagwon was 12 students for a foreigner teacher, unless assisted by a Korean co-teacher. However, I couldn't find this information anywhere.

Does anyone know what the law is concerning this? Perhaps a link to back it up as well?


Thanks!
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I heard the legal limit is eight (but maybe it depends on the size of classroom and/or school).

Laws in Korea are commonly ignored.

I feel you though, OP. Teaching large groups of young students can be very, very difficult.
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modernseoul



Joined: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Seoul
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I also heard 12 but have never seen the official source for this information.

It's a sad fact that your Hagwon won't do anything about it until a student gets hurt or tells Mom/Dad and the parents complain.

3 options:
1) Report the school to the local MOE.
2) Do a half assed job and when the school complains, tell them you need help in order to effectively teach.
3) Tell (or ask) your school for a co-teacher to help the larger class or reduced student numbers. If they say no, don't work, quit or tell them you'll report them to the MOE.

Sadly all 3 could risk your job. I feel for you as I've been in the same situation.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
modernseoul wrote:
I also heard 12 but have never seen the official source for this information.

And I could have sworn I heard if the classroom size is under a certain 평, the student limit is eight (and otherwise it's twelve I guess). I have heard of class sizes much bigger than that though. (That's probably hagwon owners knowingly breaking the law to increase profits.)
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ACT ON THE ESTABLISHMENT AND OPERATION OF PRIVATE TEACHING INSTITUTES AND EXTRACURRICULAR LESSONS

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Article 14 (Report, etc. of Establishment and Administration of Teaching Schools)


(2) A teaching school shall be a place where one operator of a teaching school teaches only one subject in one location.

(3) The qualifications for an operator of a teaching school, location, facilities and equipment of a teaching school, the number of students or other necessary matters shall be determined by Presidential Decree.


[This Article Wholly Amended by Act No. 8711, Dec. 21, 2007]


ENFORCEMENT DECREE OF THE ACT ON THE ESTABLISHMENT AND OPERATION OF PRIVATE TEACHING INSTITUTES AND EXTRACURRICULAR LESSONS

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Article 16 (Location, etc. of Teaching School)

(1) The location, facilities, equipment of a teaching school and the number of learners referred to in Article 14 (3) of the Act shall be as follows: <Amended by Presidential Decree No. 16294, May 10, 1999; Presidential Decree No. 19953, Mar. 23, 2007>

1. Deleted; <by Presidential Decree No. 19953, Mar. 23, 2007>

2. The number of persons who take lessons at a teaching school at the same time shall not be more than 9 persons (or 5 persons for piano lessons); and

3. The number of persons to be accommodated in a lecture room of a teaching place shall not be more than 0.3 person per one square meter.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The number of persons who take lessons at a teaching school at the same time shall not be more than 9 persons
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The number of persons to be accommodated in a lecture room of a teaching place shall not be more than 0.3 person per one square meter.

A lot of hagwons are breaking the law. (@_@)
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
World Traveler wrote:
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The number of persons who take lessons at a teaching school at the same time shall not be more than 9 persons
Quote:
The number of persons to be accommodated in a lecture room of a teaching place shall not be more than 0.3 person per one square meter.

A lot of hagwons are breaking the law. (@_@)


Ya.
I think I might be quoting the wrong section of law. I posted what I had on hand quickly. Did not dig very much. I suspect the limit is higher. There is likely variations between districts and that. Through having 20 students I think is pushing it.

Last edited by Skippy on Fri May 16, 2014 6:43 am; edited 1 time in total
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a class with 15......though on average my classes are between 10 and 12 students. No co-teacher. No problem. I wouldn't want to teach a class of 20 kindy kids though.
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The more the merrier. I my first 2 years is Korea usually 40-60 in a class.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That was probably a uni, not a hagwon, right? There is no government mandated student limit per classroom for them as far as I know.
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
World Traveler wrote:
That was probably a uni, not a hagwon, right? There is no government mandated student limit per classroom for them as far as I know.


2-year college.
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