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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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They are going to can you the second you hand them that letter. It basically allows them free reign to fire you at a moments notice and not face the consequences of the labor board.
IT'S A TRAP!
No LoR = no resignation |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I need quick advice. Please help.
My manager is telling me to sign the resignation letter april 10th, when we first began conversations of my departure. This smells like BS.
Also, i asked about when i would meet with the director to hand this in and discuss my letter of release. and the response i got was "there is no meeting scheduled. He still has not made up his mind."
I think i should refuse to sign any date before today. I think this will result in my firing. |
Sign NOTHING.
They give LOR they get your resignation (POST DATED to the same effective date).
Otherwise they can follow labor law for termination of employment:
- 30 days notice in writing (effectively does the same as a LOR) or
- 30 days pay in lieu AND written termination of employment.
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| RunReilly wrote: |
I need quick advice. Please help.
My manager is telling me to sign the resignation letter april 10th, when we first began conversations of my departure. This smells like BS.
Also, i asked about when i would meet with the director to hand this in and discuss my letter of release. and the response i got was "there is no meeting scheduled. He still has not made up his mind."
I think i should refuse to sign any date before today. I think this will result in my firing. |
The reality is that signing or not signing a letter of resignation doesn't matter much at this point.
You have already resigned. You gave your notice. The fact that notice from you is required in writing in the contract doesn't prevent you from resigning without written notice. When you quit verbally the clock started ticking on your ending date and you should be ready to leave the school and your housing by mid June.
The notice in writing that you are required to give in your contract is there to protect the school. They can sue you for damages if you quit without adequate notice as agreed in the contract or without written notice. However, they accepted your verbal notice, so they have been notified. They have no claim against you.
And you cannot use your failure to adhere to terms of the contract as a defense when your job ends in mid June. A defense for you can only arise from the school's failure to adhere to relevant and material terms in the contract. Your failure to give your notice in writing is not a defense for you.
Fortunately for you, your school still seems to be concerned about the written resignation. So, you should use that to your advantage. You should write up your own Letter of Release dated June 15, 2014. (Samples have been posted on Dave's before.) Take your letter of release to the school along with an unsigned letter of resignation.
Try to set up a meeting. Explain how much you like Korea and you really wish that everything had worked out at the school and lots of nice blather. Sit down to a calm meeting with the owner/director/manager or whoever is the key person that can actually sign the LOR. Explain very calmly that you want everything to go smoothly with your relationship and leaving the school. You wish them all the best. You'll help them with training a new teacher etc. Then explain to them that after they sign the LOR and give it back to you, you will sign the letter of resignation and give it to them. This is your best option to get an LOR. You should do this ASAP.
Eventually your school will realize that they don't need anything in writing from you. If they were really smart they would have done a letter to you accepting your verbal resignation. They still can. But they don't need it. You have resigned. The Labor office won't care that you didn't give written notice. They also won't care that the school didn't give written notice, as long as there was at least 30 days' notice - and since you will have known for more than 60 days - there is little chance of either party claiming damages. Mid June is a vague ending date. You might have more time, but you should expect to be gone by June 15. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Eventually your school will realize that they don't need anything in writing from you. If they were really smart they would have done a letter to you accepting your verbal resignation. They still can. But they don't need it. You have resigned. The Labor office won't care that you didn't give written notice. They also won't care that the school didn't give written notice, as long as there was at least 30 days' notice - and since you will have known for more than 60 days - there is little chance of either party claiming damages. Mid June is a vague ending date. You might have more time, but you should expect to be gone by June 15. |
I could be wrong on this, but the last time I checked the Korean labor laws, employees MUST be notified of their dismissal in writing. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Your resignation letter could include a line like this- "In our discussions on this topic, we have mutually agreed that I will be released from my contract on June 15, 2014 (or whenever). This date will be my last day of employment at BS Academy." Both parties should have a copy. Insist that you will only sign the employer's copy if he stamps your copy. You might be able to even use it as a LOR. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| It you didn't get a LOR yesterday, pull a midnight runner. I don't understand why you keep working for free. |
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RunReilly
Joined: 22 May 2013
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well, long story short, I decided to gamble yesterday and take them on their word. We will see if this turns out to be a big mistake (no pay/no LOR) or a wise decision (LoR/Pay/New job-->happy).
I basically am banking on the school's pride in their reputation; which they take very seriously. They are a large school (3 branches) in a very affluent area of a Daegu and they have a good reputation amongst super-strict Korean parents. Surely they must understand that I will absolutely drag their online reputation through the mud (and I have the horror stories to back it) if they do something stupid. I will absolutely ruin their online reputation and hurt their recruiting.
I also don't want to screw over my co-teachers, who will probably have to feel the rage and teach more classes if I leave before my replacement arrives.
The fact that he would not sign the LoR last night was puzzling. I couldn't tell if he was afraid that I would flee to another job prematurely (he mentioned this) or if it was simply a pride issue from someone who is used to being surrounded by sycophants; namely 'I get what I want, when I want, no questions asked. The LoR is MY decision and if/when I give it, it should be seen as an act of benevolence.' Of course, the other [obvious] possibility is that he doesn't intend to ever sign it at all.
If I don't try anything funny and work for the next two weeks, maybe I will get the LoR and the director will provide decent references. This would be absolutely ideal for me. On the other hand, its also pretty clear that I'm in a position to be screwed.
For the next two week I'll just be as polite as possible and hope for the best. I've been through much worse things in my life. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Surely they must understand that I will absolutely drag their online reputation through the mud (and I have the horror stories to back it) if they do something stupid. I will absolutely ruin their online reputation and hurt their recruiting. |
This will get you sued and you will lose. Truth is NOT a defense. You're not in Kansas anymore there Toto.
You may also get your passport pulled (by the police, courts or immigration) while it gets sorted out (and your embassy won't/can't help you get out of the country if it does).
| RunReilly wrote: |
| The fact that he would not sign the LoR last night was puzzling. |
No puzzle. He is NOT legally obligated to give one.
You are screwed without one and he knows it.
| RunReilly wrote: |
| The LoR is MY decision and if/when I give it, it should be seen as an act of benevolence.' Of course, the other [obvious] possibility is that he doesn't intend to ever sign it at all. |
One and the same.
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| For the next two week I'll just be as polite as possible and hope for the best. I've been through much worse things in my life. |
Good luck to you.
How do you feel about China, Taiwan or Thailand?
Hope you have money for a flight out of Korea and funds to last you for 30 days.
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| RunReilly wrote: |
| For the next two week I'll just be as polite as possible and hope for the best. |
You should've continued to work for money instead of continuing to work for free. |
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