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The Daunting Task of Beginning a Career in ESL
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JDLT



Joined: 20 Apr 2014

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 10:36 pm    Post subject: The Daunting Task of Beginning a Career in ESL Reply with quote

When you first decided to teach English overseas how did you begin your research?

Search engine, Daveseslcafe, Waygook.org , other


And where did you first hear about teaching ESL as an option?



For me, I first began to think about teaching English after talking to my cousin, who was teaching overseas at the time during a trip back home for Christmas.

Most of my early research was spent on Daveseslcafe. To be honest, at first it was quite overwhelming and I spent hundreds of hours doing research before deciding to ultimately come over.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1998. One dreary sunday morning I was nursing a hangover & puttering around on my old XT computer (dos command-driven, green monochrome screen) & god only knows why it sprang to mind but on a random impulse I typed "teaching english abroad" into its search engine.

A world of possibilities suddenly opened. Up till then, I'd been in a dead-end career in Canada struggling to make ends meets for 25 years. My youngest kid was about to fly the nest. Nothing holding me back.

Daves was a prominent site even then. It had a single forum format for all countries & Korea dominated the chatter. It also had a section called "Journals" that were kind of proto-blogs that I read & reread. I was hooked. Why not me too?

Lots of negativity back then too, whats new? I dithered for almost a year.

I knew I wasnt a big city guy & from the scant information online at the time I decided I wanted Sokcho & kept searching. Finally a Sokcho job ad appeared on some other now long-defunct site, & I applied & got it.

Yikes, what had I gotten myself into? So many second thoughts. My daughter, actually, pushed me to go. Take a chance, dad, whats to lose?

Korea has provided a marvelous long chapter to my life ever since, but I'm close to turning the page.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a drug rep for a major pharma company. Growing up I moved around a lot....we had moved over 18 times before I finished HS (no we weren't military) and I had already lived on 3 different continents. Traveling was kind of in my blood so to say and I began to lose interest in my job. Layoffs happened and as I was the young buck, 3 years out of college so I was let go. I was "lucky" enough to be offered my same position but in a different part of the country but I declined and accepted a very generous severance package.

I used some of that money to travel around the world...it was initially supposed to be a 3 month trip but it turned out to be closer to 9. I spent a decent amount of time in Asia and loved it. I returned home and decided I wanted to live abroad and I realized teaching ESL overseas was a way for me to do that. That was about 3 years ago. Sure I'm making a lot less than I did in pharma but I'm a happier person.....I just miss my family and friends a lot at times. Other than that. No regrets.
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:00 am    Post subject: Re: The Daunting Task of Beginning a Career in ESL Reply with quote

JDLT wrote:
When you first decided to teach English overseas how did you begin your research?

Search engine, Daveseslcafe, Waygook.org , other


And where did you first hear about teaching ESL as an option?



For me, I first began to think about teaching English after talking to my cousin, who was teaching overseas at the time during a trip back home for Christmas.

Most of my early research was spent on Daveseslcafe. To be honest, at first it was quite overwhelming and I spent hundreds of hours doing research before deciding to ultimately come over.


First heard about the possibility of teaching in Japan from a friend in college. I talked to my career counselor about options. Read broshures on GEOS, AEON, and JET. I chose JET.

After teaching in the JET Program a cople years, wasn't sure what to do next but kind of liked the idea of continuing to teach, but wanted some training.

Took a TEFL course in D.C. and applied to teach in Taiwan. Worked there a year and finished thinking I was finished with TEFL (not that it was bad, just thought I'd like to settle down back home.

Then 2008 happened and as I was searching Craigslist for elusive good jobs, saw ads to work in Korean public schools (I'd heard of EPIK from a friend in Japan) and thought, well, haven't been to Korea yet, so yeah, I'll do it. Came over in 2009 and have pretty much been here since.

I wouldn't say it was a daunting task getting here. The opportunities just kind of opened up and teaching overseas was always the most interesting option.
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MedellinHeel



Joined: 16 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL is not really a career OP.

More like something people do a few years before moving back to their home country. For the people that do stay, it is usually due to marrying a Korean girl or having a kid abroad.

If you want to make ESL a career id suggest getting a MA TESOL or being state licensed to teach ESL at the International School level.
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thrylos



Joined: 10 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll echo MedHeel's post, and might add that it isn't terribly daunting, either.

OK, Korea might be a bit more daunting than other places b/c of all the paperwork now required, but if you look at China, Indonesia, or just about any other destination (not in the ME and SK), it is hardly 'daunting'. Just pick a place, have a half-a$$ed interview with Skype/over the phone, send some paperwork, and you're off!!, usually within a month or so. (Like I did w/Korea a LONG time ago!)

PS-- I still don't consider it a 'career'-- A good, easy, mostly stress-free job that pays decently and gives me opportunity to do my thing with ease in a foreign country. Why not? Who needs a career? Not me! Razz
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: The Daunting Task of Beginning a Career in ESL Reply with quote

JDLT wrote:
at first it was quite overwhelming and I spent hundreds of hours doing research .


You may be over-thinking it.

I did zero research and came here after a friend recommended it. I knew nothing about the country which only added to the adventure.

I tend to get an idea then just jump. That's why I've travelled numerous countries.

I can't stand the 'play it safe' mentality. I mean, really. Are people wrapped in cotton wool these days?.

Don't think too hard. just do.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I called a friend who was working in Korea for about a year. He told me things were a lot better for him there. He suggested I go to Korea because he knew my circumstances.

A guy I knew gave me a phone number for a recruiter. I called it and got a job.

I did zero research too. I say go try it. If you like it stay. If you don't like it go home. It's pretty simple really.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
1998. One dreary sunday morning I was nursing a hangover & puttering around on my old XT computer (dos command-driven, green monochrome screen) & god only knows why it sprang to mind but on a random impulse I typed "teaching english abroad" into its search engine.

A world of possibilities suddenly opened. Up till then, I'd been in a dead-end career in Canada struggling to make ends meets for 25 years. My youngest kid was about to fly the nest. Nothing holding me back.

Daves was a prominent site even then. It had a single forum format for all countries & Korea dominated the chatter. It also had a section called "Journals" that were kind of proto-blogs that I read & reread. I was hooked. Why not me too?

Lots of negativity back then too, whats new? I dithered for almost a year.

I knew I wasnt a big city guy & from the scant information online at the time I decided I wanted Sokcho & kept searching. Finally a Sokcho job ad appeared on some other now long-defunct site, & I applied & got it.

Yikes, what had I gotten myself into? So many second thoughts. My daughter, actually, pushed me to go. Take a chance, dad, whats to lose?

Korea has provided a marvelous long chapter to my life ever since, but I'm close to turning the page.

Cheers to your adventure.
And here's to when you turn the page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khH9ih2XJg
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll echo MedHeel's post, and might add that it isn't terribly daunting, either.


Yeah, I'd class daunting as being a doctor at the 9/11 site, or being shot at in Iraq, or finding out that EPIK is closing down next year and that I'll have to get a real job. Twisted Evil
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it a little amusing every time I see ESL and career in the same sentence.

Try to think of it as a long paid holiday. Most people who come here thinking career have problems.
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MedellinHeel



Joined: 16 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^

It is possible to have a career in ESL.

Simply need to get a MA TESOL and find Uni work or get a state license in ESL and find work in an International School or stateside.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MedellinHeel wrote:
ESL is not really a career OP.

Malislamusrex wrote:
I find it a little amusing every time I see ESL and career in the same sentence.


There are many who are NOT "married to a Korean" who have made EFL a career both inside and outside of Korea (says the man who has been at it for over 16 years).

There are LOTS of different career paths in EFL/ESL if that is what you decide to do:
EFL / ESL teacher (K-12, language academy, tertiary)
lecturer - professor
researcher - http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/crosscultural01.jpg (me on the far left)
move into mainstream teaching with EFL/ESL as your "teachable"
lateral shift into other subjects as a teacher
head of program / director of studies
consulting
Conference / workshop - speaker - http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/IMG_3269.jpg (2nd from right)
advance into administration (mainstream or language academy)
business owner (language academy)
Business owner / administrator (mainstream private school) - http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/frontdoorkg.jpg (opened this one last spring)
650 kids in KG now with 1300 more in G1-12) - http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/openday1.jpg

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MedellinHeel



Joined: 16 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i was speaking in a general sense.

should have clarified.
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cbax22



Joined: 09 May 2014

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: The Daunting Task of Beginning a Career in ESL Reply with quote

Chaparrastique wrote:
JDLT wrote:
at first it was quite overwhelming and I spent hundreds of hours doing research .


You may be over-thinking it.

I did zero research and came here after a friend recommended it. I knew nothing about the country which only added to the adventure.

I tend to get an idea then just jump. That's why I've travelled numerous countries.

I can't stand the 'play it safe' mentality. I mean, really. Are people wrapped in cotton wool these days?.

Don't think too hard. just do.


Ahhh. Such a refreshing perspective. I do appreciate some of the detail in these threads but after awhile it gets a little ridiculous. Nice to know EVERYONE on these boards isn't over-analyzing every aspect of this pursuit to death and making it seem much harder than it really is.
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