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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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 Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Late at night equals fewer pedestrians. |
If there is one thing that describes large swaths of Korea at night, it is fewer pedestrians. 
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| Those fewer pedestrians are also more likely to be more alert since they are aware of the drunk driving and that it can more prevalent in certain areas. |
If there is one thing that describes people out late at night who have been drinking large quantities of soju, it is alert and aware. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| Rest of the planet have no sense of "citizenship" or civic duty. This is one of the things the Japanese hate about the non-Japanese-sub-humans. |
You've been duped by the 'Hello Kitty' culture.  |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
| Rest of the planet have no sense of "citizenship" or civic duty. This is one of the things the Japanese hate about the non-Japanese-sub-humans. |
You've been duped by the 'Hello Kitty' culture. |
I believe what you say because of your posting history. So then, it's everyone else in the world against the Japanese. I get it. I stand corrected sir. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Late at night equals fewer pedestrians. |
If there is one thing that describes large swaths of Korea at night, it is fewer pedestrians.
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| Those fewer pedestrians are also more likely to be more alert since they are aware of the drunk driving and that it can more prevalent in certain areas. |
If there is one thing that describes people out late at night who have been drinking large quantities of soju, it is alert and aware. |
Every person out late at night has been drinking larger quantities of soju? Stop projecting.
And yea, more people are out at midnight in Seoul than there are at midday. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.
But wait a minute. Hold the phone!
You're not saying that Korea has a unique drinking culture, are you? That sure wold put a big hole in your other arguments--one so big that even a drunk could drive a semi through it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Every person out late at night has been drinking larger quantities of soju? Stop projecting |
No, but certainly large numbers of them have. What, are you claiming they're all sober? Are you saying that alcohol consumption is as prevalent during the daytime as it is during nighttime?
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| And yea, more people are out at midnight in Seoul than there are at midday. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test. |
Hongdae? Itaewon? Parts of Gangnam? Dongdaemun? Heck, some bar district in Gangseo or Jamsil. Dude, what planet are you on? Yes, certain parts of Seoul will be more busy during the day than during the night. What is important to note is the tendency in Korea for late-night activity and high rates of alcohol consumption. And as I said, its not just Seoul, its middle and small sized cities and towns as well.
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| You're not saying that Korea has a unique drinking culture, are you? That sure wold put a big hole in your other arguments--one so big that even a drunk could drive a semi through it. |
I'm not making any comments about culture, rather the number of late night businesses open, the propensity of them to have a large volume of their sales from alcohol, and the consumption rates for alcohol by Koreans. If you take two countries where all other things are equal and one has those things and the other does not, is it really shocking to find more pedestrian deaths in the one rather than the other?
Heck you could look at areas within Korea, say a part of Seoul that doesn't have many late night businesses open and catering to alcohol consumption and ones that do and you'll likely see a difference in their rate of pedestrian accidents.
Are you saying that alcohol and nighttime visibility DOESN'T increase the likelihood of accidents? |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Are you saying that alcohol and nighttime visibility DOESN'T increase the likelihood of accidents? |
It does contribute to it but I don't think it is to the level that you think it is.
Koreans don't need alcohol to look as if they are inebriated with the way they walk around carefree of their environment.
Daytime - more stupid pedestrians (including elderly and children) + more stupid drivers = more deaths
Nighttime - more drunk Koreans + less stupid drivers = less deaths than daytime |
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fezmond
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| why do you guys bother responding to steelrails? he's merely a troll wasting your time. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| why do you guys bother responding to steelrails? he's merely a troll wasting your time. |
No, we are wasting his time with the added benefit of showing he's bereft of intelligent thought. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Every person out late at night has been drinking larger quantities of soju? Stop projecting |
No, but certainly large numbers of them have. What, are you claiming they're all sober? Are you saying that alcohol consumption is as prevalent during the daytime as it is during nighttime?
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| And yea, more people are out at midnight in Seoul than there are at midday. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test. |
Hongdae? Itaewon? Parts of Gangnam? Dongdaemun? Heck, some bar district in Gangseo or Jamsil. Dude, what planet are you on? Yes, certain parts of Seoul will be more busy during the day than during the night. What is important to note is the tendency in Korea for late-night activity and high rates of alcohol consumption. And as I said, its not just Seoul, its middle and small sized cities and towns as well.
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| You're not saying that Korea has a unique drinking culture, are you? That sure wold put a big hole in your other arguments--one so big that even a drunk could drive a semi through it. |
I'm not making any comments about culture, rather the number of late night businesses open, the propensity of them to have a large volume of their sales from alcohol, and the consumption rates for alcohol by Koreans. If you take two countries where all other things are equal and one has those things and the other does not, is it really shocking to find more pedestrian deaths in the one rather than the other?
Heck you could look at areas within Korea, say a part of Seoul that doesn't have many late night businesses open and catering to alcohol consumption and ones that do and you'll likely see a difference in their rate of pedestrian accidents.
Are you saying that alcohol and nighttime visibility DOESN'T increase the likelihood of accidents? |
Are you saying that drinking far beyond excess isn't a part of Korean culture? Are you saying Koreans are klowns?
It sure seems like it. Are you racist? |
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fezmond
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| why do you guys bother responding to steelrails? he's merely a troll wasting your time. |
No, we are wasting his time with the added benefit of showing he's bereft of intelligent thought. |
Either way, he's still a massive cunt. Did he ever end up building his shrine to the Sewol (or was that seawall) captain? |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Not surprised at all by the ranking.
Been clipped here a few times, and nearly clipped countless times, in the middle of the day. Both at intersections and walking on the side of the road, as far over as possible. Two of those times clipped they didn't even stop or slow down, assuming they even noticed they clipped anyone.
It's a mix of A-hole driving style, general lack of awareness and lack of consideration for anyone but themselves on the road.
Frankly, wouldn't be surprised if Korean drivers were the ones mostly responsible for the Asian "bad driver" stereotype.
Also I'm not sure the "look both ways before crossing" rule is much of a thing here. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if it has anything to do with Asians focusing on background things, and Westerners focusing on salient objects more. Quite a lot of studies have been done on this, Asians look at things differently than we do, even human faces. The drivers in Korea certainly seem to lack awareness in a lot of areas. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Every person out late at night has been drinking larger quantities of soju? Stop projecting |
No, but certainly large numbers of them have. What, are you claiming they're all sober? Are you saying that alcohol consumption is as prevalent during the daytime as it is during nighttime?
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| And yea, more people are out at midnight in Seoul than there are at midday. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test. |
Hongdae? Itaewon? Parts of Gangnam? Dongdaemun? Heck, some bar district in Gangseo or Jamsil. Dude, what planet are you on? Yes, certain parts of Seoul will be more busy during the day than during the night. What is important to note is the tendency in Korea for late-night activity and high rates of alcohol consumption. And as I said, its not just Seoul, its middle and small sized cities and towns as well.
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| You're not saying that Korea has a unique drinking culture, are you? That sure wold put a big hole in your other arguments--one so big that even a drunk could drive a semi through it. |
I'm not making any comments about culture, rather the number of late night businesses open, the propensity of them to have a large volume of their sales from alcohol, and the consumption rates for alcohol by Koreans. If you take two countries where all other things are equal and one has those things and the other does not, is it really shocking to find more pedestrian deaths in the one rather than the other?
Heck you could look at areas within Korea, say a part of Seoul that doesn't have many late night businesses open and catering to alcohol consumption and ones that do and you'll likely see a difference in their rate of pedestrian accidents.
Are you saying that alcohol and nighttime visibility DOESN'T increase the likelihood of accidents? |
Are you saying that drinking far beyond excess isn't a part of Korean culture? Are you saying Koreans are klowns?
It sure seems like it. Are you racist? |
Are you going to answer my questions?
I'm saying that the rate of alcohol consumption, which is documented, combined with the number of late night establishments and the degree to which late night activity takes place in Korea are likely contributing factors to the high number of pedestrian accidents. There is no judgment on culture or racism with that. It is pointing to mathematical rates of activities and their likely effect on other mathematical rates of activities. I'm not passing judgment on the people, I am merely trying to look at a cause and effect. One can explore an issue without resorting to bigoted pejoratives.
I have mentioned this before as to how to examine issues with Korea without being a bigot and how "apologists" have no personal issue when arguments are framed as such.
A) High rates of alcohol consumption and late night activity might be at least partially responsible for increased rates of pedestrian accidents.
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B) Stupid Koreans are a bunch of boozers who engage in degenerate activity late into the night and have no awareness or concern and this stupidity leads to them dying left and right. They don't care about others' safety or their own.
Its not just what you write, its how you write it.
Why do I get the feeling that if someone had mentioned this, and I had denied it, that you would be taking me to task for denying that there is a high rate of alcohol consumption and late night activity? Its a variation on the "It doesn't matter if Koreans go left or right, they're wrong because they are Korean" argument. If I claim that Korea's accidents are partly due to a high rate of alcohol consumption and late night activity or if I were to deny that, either way I'd be wrong because I am Steelrails.
Is there something knee-jerk apologist about such an argument? I think its a pretty reasonable assumption to make. How is linking Korean alcohol consumption and pedestrian accidents some sort of knee-jerk apologist argument? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| fezmond wrote: |
| why do you guys bother responding to steelrails? he's merely a troll wasting your time. |
I was enjoying where he was basically talking to himself earlier in the thread. Why did someone have to go and ruin that by responding? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| While I agree with ya, SR, that's it's a very possible factor - I'm curious if you have any statistical links to back it up? I hate to sound morbid, but I wonder if there's an hourly breakdown of traffic accidents in Korea (?) |
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