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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject:

Is SteelRails still going on defending the Sewol captain? The guy is totally obsessed. I thought he had give up trying to prove the captain did everything right, but I guess he was just busy having a vigil at the courthouse for him. It's raining today so he's back here defending him. Anyway, carry on.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:43 pm Post subject:

atwood wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

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You lost whatever little credibility you had on the ferry sinking threads and your efforts to exonerate the captain and crew.

I'm sorry you are too stupid to understand the concept of "Guilty of charges 1 and 2, but possibly innocent of charge number 3".

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What you posted about running red lights was crystal clear. You're no LT so you can't spin your way out of it.

Then why don't you pull up a direct quote about it. You never do that in all these "claims" about what I've said. It's always your retelling of it, never the actual quote. That's why we have a quote function. That is why I use the quote function.

So you're going to continue defending the captain and crew? Funny that a person who never learns is in the education biz.

If you want to take the time and pull up your old posts, have at it. But everyone who read that thread knows you posted that you thought it was OK to run red lights.

Now here you are defending Korean driving and pedestrian habits by blaming it all on the demon alcohol.

And let's not forget those pedestrians who protest drivers failing to obey the rules of the road with a yell, a thumping of a rear vehicle panel or, God forbid, throwing a coin or two at the offending vehicle. You almost went into hysterics trying to show how dangerous such activities were, claiming that they were bound to give older rivers heart attacks or strokes. All to defend your right to run red lights.

And now you're back at it: "It's the ALCOHOL!" NOWHERE else in the world do they drink like they do in Korea." But CULTURE has nothing to do with it, or anything else that happens in Korea, for that matter."

I give you credit though, herr G, for audacity. You calling anyone "stupid" rates right up there.

Yup, I too remember those threads.

I remember SR going on about how good/professional drivers should be able to run reds and such. I also remember him going on about the coin throwing thing.

Once again, IMO, it's him digging himself soooo deep into a position, that it becomes ludicrous. His initial, often reasonable, comment is lost in the depths of proclamations of expertise and or/made up statistics based on his circle of friends.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:15 am Post subject:

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So you're going to continue defending the captain and crew?

atwood you truly are an idiot who lacks reading comprehension if that's what you think I'm saying.

IF I am defending the captain, then you defend Mao and Stalin when you say that they were right to fight Hitler and the Japanese. That's a completely juvenile way to look at things. You can evaluate actions separately without judging the person as a whole.

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Now here you are defending Korean driving and pedestrian habits by blaming it all on the demon alcohol.

How am I defending them?

True or false- Nighttime leads to reduced visibility

True or false- Korea has a higher level of nighttime activity compared to other countries on average.

True or false- Alcohol consumption leads to impaired judgment and increased risk of accident.

True or false- Korea has a higher rate of alcohol consumption compared to other countries on average.

Given those things, isn't it logical to conclude that the high level of nighttime activity AND alcohol consumption is at least related to in part, Korea's high rate of pedestrian accidents?

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And let's not forget those pedestrians who protest drivers failing to obey the rules of the road with a yell, a thumping of a rear vehicle panel or, God forbid, throwing a coin or two at the offending vehicle.

Because that's just ridiculous. You are basically suggesting that the solution to this is for everyone to turn into some sort of Mary Poppins-Robocop-Super Mario hybrid of umbrella whacking and coin flinging in an effort to bring drivers under control.

I on the other hand suggested a government run program to encourage safer driving through added privileges.

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And now you're back at it: "It's the ALCOHOL!" NOWHERE else in the world do they drink like they do in Korea." But CULTURE has nothing to do with it, or anything else that happens in Korea, for that matter."

I am not defending Korean driving. I think we can all agree that Korean driving is responsible for the elevated rate. I think nighttime activity+alcohol is what puts it over the top at number 1. Is this really such a ludicrous idea?

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Is SteelRails still going on defending the Sewol captain? The guy is totally obsessed. I thought he had give up trying to prove the captain did everything right, but I guess he was just busy having a vigil at the courthouse for him. It's raining today so he's back here defending him.

BlackCat, atwood is just a dolt, but I give you more credit, but I'm disappointed that you can't grasp the concept of having questions (note, not defending) about one single action without declaring the guy innocent of everything.

Again, I will ask to you what I ask of atwood- Do you defend Mao or Stalin because they fought the Japanese and the Germans?

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remember SR going on about how good/professional drivers should be able to run reds and such.

I never said run. I said they should be able to come to a complete stop and treat it as a 4-way stop sign and proceed if the road is clear. That doesn't equate to blowing through at 60kph. Other ideas include maybe having an extra 5-10 mph in certain areas added to their speeding limit in conjunction with them having a special license plate.

The logic behind this is such a license plate would be an a goal to encourage citizens to drive safely so they could earn the privilege of having such a license plate, as well as to save gas, and free up traffic. For every accident it might cause by one of those "good drivers" making a mistake, it might prevent one in encouraging people to drive safely to earn that privilege. I also suggested the idea of a shorter period for new drivers to earn such a plate (maybe 4 years accident free vs. 6). It would also provide incentive for drivers who already have it to continue to drive safely.

Now, I don't present this idea as an "It must come to pass", and its not in its final form, but I presented it as a creative idea to do something to encourage safer driving. I formed this idea back home when I was a driver.

The sheer illogical nature of a car waiting at a red light when the roads are clear and having to wait there for 2 minutes simply because the light is red is obvious. The light is not smarter than the driver. If the driver has a green light and there is something blocking the road, it is more dangerous to proceed than to go through a red light with a clear road all the way around. The light does not make things safe. The road conditions do. If someone cannot be trusted to behave responsibly and execute appropriate judgment in a red light situation, while proceeding if traffic is clear, then they shouldn't have a damn license in the first place. They are too much of an idiot.

If someone would like to suggest an alternative system or criteria, I'm all ears, but I think the status quo in some cases back home is unreasonable. Are we to just stick with the same old rules for eternity and not try something new in an effort to promote safety? Sometimes the right solution to something can be counter-intuitive.

Just like ideas such as probation rather than prison or rehab instead of jail time doesn't mean you are "letting criminals go free", so too with this idea.

Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:49 am Post subject:

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The light is not smarter than the driver. If the driver has a green light and there is something blocking the road, it is more dangerous to proceed than to go through a red light with a clear road all the way around. The light does not make things safe. The road conditions do. If someone cannot be trusted to behave responsibly and execute appropriate judgment in a red light situation, while proceeding if traffic is clear, then they shouldn't have a damn license in the first place.

This is just second nature in Japan. It's because they train their kids from a young age to be good citizens. The Koreans are all about the 'me'. The Japanese drive much better, you can always count on them to follow the rules.

atwood

Joined: 26 Dec 2009

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:21 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

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So you're going to continue defending the captain and crew?

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Now here you are defending Korean driving and pedestrian habits by blaming it all on the demon alcohol.

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remember SR going on about how good/professional drivers should be able to run reds and such.

What you claim to be "encouraging" is an obvious non-starter--let's reward drivers for breaking the law. At least you're good for a chuckle.

Let's have a special license plate that allows people to take the law into their own hands, although heaven forbid anyone protest against reckless drivers, in a country where traffic enforcement is basically nil and the obvious result would be the majority of drivers doing likewise. You were the champion of preventing unintended consequences on the cigarette taxation thread yet can't see what your idea/nonsense would result in.

I guess if it's good for sr, it must be good for everyone. So let's climb into the driver's seat, light up, take a big gulp of soju and mash that accelerator: the dae han min kuk demolition derby 2014. I hope you've been keeping up with your insurance payments.

"Nighttime." That is just too funny, right up there with Korea has four seasons. The sun never sets anywhere else, right?

You ask are your assertions "really ludicrous"? The answer is a resounding yes.

And still you defend the captain. I will give you one thing. Unlike him, you're willing to go down with the ship.
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