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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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Koreans have the right to label any people they want, and since hagwons are privatized there's nothing anyone can do. Your actions have consequences people, stop acting/dressing like a thug and you might get more respect on the world stage.
Labels people attach to other people and their culture aren't pulled out of thin air. I understand ALL people don't act a certain way, but if ENOUGH of those people DO act in a certain (bad) way, stigmas and stereotypes will develop--stereotypes are based on truths about different cultures, anyway.
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There it is again - the talk of culture. I find it tiresome how people defend sexism, racism, slavery and other human rights breaches as a part of culture that every nation should have the right to practice because it is a sovereign nation with unique culture.
Forget culture - let's just label it what it is, racism, sexism, slavery. These are found in different countries in various amounts. Hell, there is quite a bit of sex trafficking in USA, but no one is calling it a part of culture, are they?
You see, when you label is 'culture', what you are truly saying is that it's an ingenious way of life in the said country; and that the issue brought up by other people is not an issue at all, but rather a part of local tradition that should be accepted by everyone else.
Still, being the apologist brotherhood spokesperson, I do applaud your writing skills. Our dear leader has decided that you will be awarded the medal for valor at our next meeting. Congratulations. |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I love trolls. |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| These people are Christian in name, but their hearts and minds are far removed from the true teachings of Jesus Christ. |
PREACH! |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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"To combat this and other abusive workplace practices, Korean lawmakers drafted anti-discrimination legislation in February 2013 that would have prohibited employers from discriminating against applicants based on ethnicity, skin color, age, sexual orientation, and other factors. But the bill faced heavy opposition from corporations and conservative Christian groups, who attacked it as pro–North Korean and pro-gay, and was killed in April. "
Pro North Korean? What? I tend to think they hate foreigners even more up there. That makes no sense. Also, didn't Jesus say: "Love thy neighbor"? Why would Christians here oppose it? Makes no sense to me whatsoever. |
Most of the Korean Christians unfortunately don't have a healthy view of the bible. They focus too much on the struggles of the Israelites than Jesus. Before South (Worst) Korea was still a "hermit place" before the end of the Asian financial crisis in the late 90s, Korean Christians were well-known for their more-Zionist-than-Israelis attitudes. Now things have drastically changed. Protestant Koreans became more religious as well as becoming more subverted to the love for money. |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| In a country that focuses a lot on looks and in recent times has adopted a more Eurocentric standard of beauty/appearance it's no surprise to see a manifestation of white privilege as a result - it's often the case in many 'non-white' countries. |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Charles Armstrong, a professor of Korean studies at Columbia University. |
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| “Koreans tend to distinguish between real, or white, foreigners, who are treated with some respect, and people of color who tend to be looked down on,” Armstrong explained. As a result, he said, “there is definitely a preference for white, and male, teachers of English.” |
God I hope he's not tenured. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it. |
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I'm heading back to grad school at Columbia this summer. I'm really thinking about sending him an email, because that is an embarrassingly ignorant statement. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| Charles Armstrong, a professor of Korean studies at Columbia University. |
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| “Koreans tend to distinguish between real, or white, foreigners, who are treated with some respect, and people of color who tend to be looked down on,” Armstrong explained. As a result, he said, “there is definitely a preference for white, and male, teachers of English.” |
God I hope he's not tenured. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it. |
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I'm heading back to grad school at Columbia this summer. I'm really thinking about sending him an email, because that is an embarrassingly ignorant statement. |
The Ivy League is one of the few things you could put on a resume that might trump being blonde and having ovaries. Might. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| These people are Christian in name, but their hearts and minds are far removed from the true teachings of Jesus Christ. |
I have to laugh at statements like this. There is no hard evidence that the dude even existed. Nor is there agreement about what he allegedly said. Ask a Catholic bishop what Jesus' message was, then ask a Mennonite. Better still read Paul's letters then go read the gospel of Matthew. After that go read the non-canonical gospels (of Mary, Judas, Philip, Thomas, etc..) Don't seem to agree on what the dude's "true teachings" were.
But before doing that you'll need to learn ancient Aramaic to make sure you properly understand what is being written. Then you'll need a doctorate in ancient Hebrew and Greco-Roman history to understand the context. Then you'll need to read the vast number of books written by scholars who disagree profoundly about who Jesus was and what he was about. Oh, and you'll also need to careful about all those interpolations - stuff attributed to Jesus much, much later which he almost certainly never said. Then you've got the political and sectarian agendas of the gospel writers...and the fact that they took 'visions' very seriously in the first century. Jesus' "true message" possible came to some gospel writers in a dream. If he "said" A, B or C in the dream it's the same as him actually having said it - even if he didn't. (Remember Paul never even claims to have met Jesus, but he sure as hell 'saw' and 'heard' him in visions.)Then there's the decades between when Jesus was alleged to have said something and it being written down in a gospel. They must have had super awesome memories, being able to quote Jesus verbatim decades later. Oh, and then there's the forgeries in the bible and the thousands of errors and changed words caused by tired scribes working in dark rooms with no glasses. Then there's the bible authors who just made shit up, like the post-resurrection appearances at the end of Mark. And of course Luke and Matthew just copied from Mark then added new details, many of which contradict each other. And Mark himself copied many of his details about Jesus' life from Homer's works. And on and on it goes. What we really know for sure about Jesus could comfortably fit into a matchbox.
But please, go ahead. Tell us what Jesus' "true teachings" were. I'm sure the scholarly community will be fascinated by your insights.  |
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