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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People should just be consistent. If they are bothered by slurping, fine. Don't hang around people that do it. Label people who do it as peasants or barbarians. But they shouldn't be upset if that in turn is applied to them when they do something.

The other side is to tolerate slurping because you know you probably do something that disgusts someone else and you hope that they tolerate it as well.

There's advantages and disadvantages to both. But if one does not choose to do one or the other, that's pretty unfair.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3DR wrote:
le-paul wrote:
3DR wrote:
le-paul wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
postfundie wrote:
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Yes, but one thing we have to remember is that in THEIR culture, and we are in THEIR country,


So "we" can't say anything about slurping noodles or smacking of one's lips while eating. Hey 'foreigner' you sit down and shut up.


Correct. You are a guest.

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i love it!

When I go home, im going to kick, spit on and shove all the koreans and Asians I can find - after all, they're just guests so I can do or say anything I want!
If they say anything, Ill just say, 'hey shut up and stop complaining...'.


How does slurping food at the dinner table equate to physical assault?


Hohoho - of course not - that's just silly.

But by the same standard, where do you draw the line between physical or verbal assault to me or an intrusion or into my personal space?

Lets just say for arguments sake, I dont want someone handling my food with dirty hands - a restauranteur can tell me I dont have a choice because usually old people usually dont wash their hands before they cook in Korea and then handle the money etc.?

And by your logic, do I have to allow people to push me, insult my gf, make racist comments (in Korean because Im too stupid to understand when they're talking about us), cough in my face, spit on the ground right in front of me, etc.etc.etc. (usually quite underhandedly - but the pushing by the elders has at times been aggressive) because a lot of the general populace believes they have the right to do that and Im a guest in their country? All in the name of 'culture'?.

Ill be sure to remember that next time I invite someone to my home too, I have a card that I can play, lets just call it the 'ignorance card' or 'the culture card', and this trumps my guests personal rights as an individual, regardless of whether or not they feel any kind of personal intrusion or denigration !

Its great! - its like being on the internet and being able to insult people because there's no real backlash - ahhh, the freedom of convenience!


You are literally making no sense. For your argument to make even an ounce of sense or coherence, you would first have to give definitive fact that the majority of the populace you are talking about believes this is an okay way to behave and is part of their culture.

Taking a few several times out of several hundred or a thousand is not proof. It's a few assholes being assholes.

If only it were just a few. If only...
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chickenpie



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, what can I say!

Fucking perfect.

GILF generation!

This is real Korean Kulture. http://klownisms.wordpress.com/

Korea. Infallible nation of wonder and caring. Promised land of modern humanity.

Korea. Sparkling.

Klowns are amazingly quick to point out others’ faults. The alacrity with which a Klown will comment on a personal flaw is astounding. There is no sense of shame or decency involved. You have grey hair? “Hey! You have grey hair!” You’re fat? “Hey! You’re fat!”

This is level of social skill exhibited by most preschoolers, still dumbfoundedly figuring out the ways of the world with a finger jammed two knuckles deep up one nostril and a bit of breakfast still smeared across the cheek. Aspergers-y, like much of Klown Kulture, though unlike Klowns, the preschooler grows out of that awkward, socially-inept stage around age 4 or 5 while the Klown remains at the same level of social development until death (generally via lung cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, traffic “accident” or the ever popular suicide). Klown Kulture is as delicate, intricate, nuanced and refined as a spastic rhinoceros playing Mozart on a baby grand piano… there’s a piano somewhere there, sure, but it’s all a pile of splinters, saliva and snapped wires. When your childhood is spent locked in a small room ticking off A, B, C or D for 15 hours a day solely to serve a standardized testing system that was developed centuries ago, your young adulthood is spent getting blackout drunk and either serving in the military or whoring yourself for a purse and your adulthood is spent in a perpetual state of hangover and company servitude or spousal loathing and shallow materialism… well that doesn’t really encourage personal development and self-actualization in the form of hobbies, friendships based on anything other than “date of manufacture” or social growth. In fact, the Klown system is set up deliberately to discourage such personal development as instances of just that upset the Human Centipede. So while human nature is to be critical and Klowns cannot be self-critical for fear of growth and development, the outlet must be to find fault with others.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's got a point. It doesn't go very far into human nature or psychology, really, but it sums up a lot of Korean culture. As an outsider who has had years of experience with the culture, it's hard to disagree. I think he uses the word "Klown" not to disparage the entire nation or all its people, where of course many fine people live, so much as the defenders, the unwilling to admit flaws where so many are glaring. And why should anyone be offended? What is being hurt? Your national pride? This idea you have wrapped all over yourself?

Or maybe it's a lot of projection. You can point out ugly facts for any country I suppose. I don't see why anyone should be hurt. But when you invest yourself into nationalism you're already lost. There is conflict there. Unfortunately that is how we live: defending ideas. It's very empty. When you are set upon being a particular thing, you'll never just be a human being, with no opposition. I suppose that's just an ideal too. Out of the interest in illusory comfort, we go right down to the self, the very basis of division and conflict. My nation, my belief, my god or whatever, and all that. We will always be at war over these things. Human beings are idiots.
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Los Angeloser



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If nothing else, here is the BBC link provided by the blog the OP directed us to which was written by Lucy Williamson on 9th of June 2014. It's somewhat of a long article(2 pages), so I'll copy/paste maybe one of the pages with PICS...

"The Korean grandmothers who sell sex"
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27189951
"Koreans could once be sure that their children would look after them in their old age, but no longer - many of those who worked hard to transform the country's economy find the next generation has other spending priorities. As a result, some elderly women are turning to prostitution.

Kim Eun-ja sits on the steps at Seoul's Jongno-3 subway station, scanning the scene in front of her. The 71-year-old's bright lipstick and shiny red coat stand out against her papery skin.

Beside her is a large bag, from which comes the clink of glass bottles as she shifts on the cold concrete.

Mrs Kim is one of South Korea's "Bacchus Ladies" - older women who make a living by selling tiny bottles of the popular Bacchus energy drink to male customers.

But often that's not all they're selling. At an age when Korean grandmothers are supposed to be venerated as matriarchs, some are selling sex.

"You see those Bacchus Ladies standing over there?" she asks me. "Those ladies sell more than Bacchus. They sometimes go out with the grandpas and earn money from them. But I don't make a living like that.

"Men do proposition me when I'm standing in the alleyway," she adds. "But I always say, 'No.'"

Mrs Kim says she makes about 5,000 Won ($5, or £3) a day selling the drinks. "Drink up fast," she says. "The police are always watching me. They don't differentiate."

The centre of this underground sex trade is a nearby park in the heart of Seoul. Jongmyo Park is a place where elderly men come to while away their sunset years with a little chess and some local gossip."
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thoroughly enjoying this blog.
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Lucas



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mrs Kim is one of South Korea's "Bacchus Ladies" - older women who make a living by selling tiny bottles of the popular Bacchus energy drink to male customers.

But often that's not all they're selling. At an age when Korean grandmothers are supposed to be venerated as matriarchs, some are selling sex.

"You see those Bacchus Ladies standing over there?" she asks me. "Those ladies sell more than Bacchus. They sometimes go out with the grandpas and earn money from them. But I don't make a living like that.

"Men do proposition me when I'm standing in the alleyway," she adds. "But I always say, 'No.'"

Mrs Kim says she makes about 5,000 Won ($5, or £3) a day selling the drinks. "Drink up fast," she says. "The police are always watching me. They don't differentiate."

The centre of this underground sex trade is a nearby park in the heart of Seoul. Jongmyo Park is a place where elderly men come to while away their sunset years with a little chess and some local gossip."


Quincy Black is going to be going on spree when he gets out. Think the famous snoop video, now replace that image with Quincy and thirty 80 year old ajjuma's.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why some people become so consumed by their hatred for Korea. It isn't exactly a modern utopia, and can be frustrating but it's nowhere near as bad as they say. I went through a phase of complaining about Korea, but I realised how very little fun I was to be around. Someone quite rightly pointed out how much of a whiney little girl I sounded like, and how irritating I was. I was constantly looking for something to bitch about, so I was always unhappy. That starts to take its emotional toll after a while.
Relax and grow a thicker skin or you will end up a basket case.
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hiamnotcool



Joined: 06 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joelove wrote:
He's got a point. It doesn't go very far into human nature or psychology, really, but it sums up a lot of Korean culture. As an outsider who has had years of experience with the culture, it's hard to disagree. I think he uses the word "Klown" not to disparage the entire nation or all its people, where of course many fine people live, so much as the defenders, the unwilling to admit flaws where so many are glaring. And why should anyone be offended? What is being hurt? Your national pride? This idea you have wrapped all over yourself?

Or maybe it's a lot of projection. You can point out ugly facts for any country I suppose. I don't see why anyone should be hurt. But when you invest yourself into nationalism you're already lost. There is conflict there. Unfortunately that is how we live: defending ideas. It's very empty. When you are set upon being a particular thing, you'll never just be a human being, with no opposition. I suppose that's just an ideal too. Out of the interest in illusory comfort, we go right down to the self, the very basis of division and conflict. My nation, my belief, my god or whatever, and all that. We will always be at war over these things. Human beings are idiots.


The guy that writes that blog is an idiot. Korea definitely has it's own unique culture. It's ok to be critical of Korea but at least read a few books or look into things before you judge. I have my own complaints about Korea and I'm more than willing to listen to a disgruntled ESL teacher vent because like all countries Korea has it's weak points. However, if you want to be taken seriously by Koreans it's important to approach them AFTER you have looked into the situation you are complaining about. This guy hasn't, a lot of people that complain about Korea haven't. As a result our gripes and recommendations are rarely taken seriously.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hiamnotcool wrote:
joelove wrote:
He's got a point. It doesn't go very far into human nature or psychology, really, but it sums up a lot of Korean culture. As an outsider who has had years of experience with the culture, it's hard to disagree. I think he uses the word "Klown" not to disparage the entire nation or all its people, where of course many fine people live, so much as the defenders, the unwilling to admit flaws where so many are glaring. And why should anyone be offended? What is being hurt? Your national pride? This idea you have wrapped all over yourself?

Or maybe it's a lot of projection. You can point out ugly facts for any country I suppose. I don't see why anyone should be hurt. But when you invest yourself into nationalism you're already lost. There is conflict there. Unfortunately that is how we live: defending ideas. It's very empty. When you are set upon being a particular thing, you'll never just be a human being, with no opposition. I suppose that's just an ideal too. Out of the interest in illusory comfort, we go right down to the self, the very basis of division and conflict. My nation, my belief, my god or whatever, and all that. We will always be at war over these things. Human beings are idiots.


The guy that writes that blog is an idiot. Korea definitely has it's own unique culture. It's ok to be critical of Korea but at least read a few books or look into things before you judge. I have my own complaints about Korea and I'm more than willing to listen to a disgruntled ESL teacher vent because like all countries Korea has it's weak points. However, if you want to be taken seriously by Koreans it's important to approach them AFTER you have looked into the situation you are complaining about. This guy hasn't, a lot of people that complain about Korea haven't. As a result our gripes and recommendations are rarely taken seriously.

How do you know he hasn't read any books or "looked into" Korean culture? He wrote that he's been in Korea for more than a few years.

And he doesn't care whether Koreans take him seriously or not. And why should he when they can't manage to find a PM who doesn't come with a full set of Louis Vuitton luggage full of dirty laundry?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to a segment of the Dave's basher crowd, AES and Korea Sentry are hate sites filled with intolerance (which they are) but this Klown blog is an entertaining and well thought out take in Korean culture. Rolling Eyes

If you swapped the word klown with 'black' or 'English Teacher', people would be apoplectic and denounce it as racist. Methinks some on this board are not as enlightened or as immune to the very same racist impulses they denounce in ajosshis as they would like to believe.

For the record, the mainstream apologists have all denounced AES and Korea Sentry. Many bashers have not. No, the two sides are not mirrors of each other.
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happiness



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
. That starts to take its emotional toll after a while.
Relax and grow a thicker skin or you will end up a basket case.


Yeah, theres alot of Beta-ism among guys here (and myself too), but to me, Korea is really primal. A lot of the passive-aggresiveness against foreigners here isnt really tangible, but so what? My pals all say I have great Nunchi, noone fuqkcs with me in 14 years now. One thing about Korea is most men have very little inner confidence, theyre all reactionary. Thats weak and beta. Man up so to say. Be bold and with a fuqkc you attitude, with a bit of the dont fuqkc with me in there too. Screw "culture." As long as you are respectful, do what you want. If someone else doesnt like you, eat a bag of Richards. Do your job well, do waht you want.

Korea taught me to be focused better than most things. A lot of peripheral noise here, but thats all it is, just noise. Korea is this, US is this. How the fuqkc do I know? I want to work my job, talk to some hot girl and my neighborhood 7-11 clerk will suggest a new can coffee. Awesome.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happiness wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
. That starts to take its emotional toll after a while.
Relax and grow a thicker skin or you will end up a basket case.


Yeah, theres alot of Beta-ism among guys here (and myself too), but to me, Korea is really primal. A lot of the passive-aggresiveness against foreigners here isnt really tangible, but so what? My pals all say I have great Nunchi, noone fuqkcs with me in 14 years now. One thing about Korea is most men have very little inner confidence, theyre all reactionary. Thats weak and beta. Man up so to say. Be bold and with a fuqkc you attitude, with a bit of the dont fuqkc with me in there too. Screw "culture." As long as you are respectful, do what you want. If someone else doesnt like you, eat a bag of Richards. Do your job well, do waht you want.

Korea taught me to be focused better than most things. A lot of peripheral noise here, but thats all it is, just noise. Korea is this, US is this. How the fuqkc do I know? I want to work my job, talk to some hot girl and my neighborhood 7-11 clerk will suggest a new can coffee. Awesome.

Oh thank heaven for 7-11!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
According to a segment of the Dave's basher crowd, AES and Korea Sentry are hate sites filled with intolerance (which they are) but this Klown blog is an entertaining and well thought out take in Korean culture. Rolling Eyes

If you swapped the word klown with 'black' or 'English Teacher', people would be apoplectic and denounce it as racist. Methinks some on this board are not as enlightened or as immune to the very same racist impulses they denounce in ajosshis as they would like to believe.

For the record, the mainstream apologists have all denounced AES and Korea Sentry. Many bashers have not. No, the two sides are not mirrors of each other.


According to SR:
-Anyone who thinks AES and the like are racist are 'bashers'.
-Anyone who thinks AES and the like are racist also automatically believe this blog is awesome.

Once again SR melds all the people he's ever disagreed with into one fictitious person to 'argue' against. What proof does he have that people who denounce AES are the same that love this site? None, but lack of evidence or logic has never stopped him before. Just look at the 10 pages of his defence of the Sewol captain.

It's funny that SR says everyone who has ever said AES is filled with intolerance is a hater and loves this blog, and then says he agrees that AES is full of intolerance. So, is SR a basher and also loves this other blog? Because that's the only logical conclusion. I'm just following his own words.

This is how circular, illogical and down right stupid SR posts are. With in two sentences he outs himself as the exact thing he's heatedly arguing against.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. BlackCat wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
According to a segment of the Dave's basher crowd, AES and Korea Sentry are hate sites filled with intolerance (which they are) but this Klown blog is an entertaining and well thought out take in Korean culture. Rolling Eyes

If you swapped the word klown with 'black' or 'English Teacher', people would be apoplectic and denounce it as racist. Methinks some on this board are not as enlightened or as immune to the very same racist impulses they denounce in ajosshis as they would like to believe.

For the record, the mainstream apologists have all denounced AES and Korea Sentry. Many bashers have not. No, the two sides are not mirrors of each other.


According to SR:
-Anyone who thinks AES and the like are racist are 'bashers'.
-Anyone who thinks AES and the like are racist also automatically believe this blog is awesome.

Once again SR melds all the people he's ever disagreed with into one fictitious person to 'argue' against. What proof does he have that people who denounce AES are the same that love this site? None, but lack of evidence or logic has never stopped him before. Just look at the 10 pages of his defence of the Sewol captain.

It's funny that SR says everyone who has ever said AES is filled with intolerance is a hater and loves this blog, and then says he agrees that AES is full of intolerance. So, is SR a basher and also loves this other blog? Because that's the only logical conclusion. I'm just following his own words.

This is how circular, illogical and down right stupid SR posts are. With in two sentences he outs himself as the exact thing he's heatedly arguing against.

He's mostly just talking to hear himself talk. The above case was just a very poor attempt at a derail, an insult to his patron saint Casey Jones.
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