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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Obviously, you don't understand, for instance, freedom and its relationship to money in a capitalistic society.
Has a state trooper ever pulled you over for being one MPH over the speed limit? What do you think are the chances of that happening? Use some of that tertiary thinking you're so proud of. |
DWB? My ex-roommate, a Detroit firefighter (with union decal on his rear window) was pulled over every time he drove into Rochester Hills to party at our friend's house. The cops were polite enough but everyone knew what the deal was. Show em your shield and then you'll be on your way unmolested, but it still sucks to have to go through that.
I don't know anyone in Korea who has gotten pulled over for Driving While Waygook. I do know a bunch of times people have played the foreigner card and regulatory-type people giving them a pass. |
Wow, another convenient personal life experience by SR that suddenly comes up that helps prove his "point". Didn't see that coming!
So, did this friend of yours live with you on your giant farm in the ghetto of Los Angeles, Michigan? Did he fly airplanes like everyone in your family, or just go boating every weekend like you did? It's getting hard to keep track of these stories. We should make a chart to keep it all in order. |
Do you want his facebook? Are you saying that people in SE Michigan can't have friends of African-American descent? Are you saying that SE Michigan and the various suburban neighborhoods aren't incredibly divided along racial lines? Are you saying DWB isn't a problem?
You do realize that Detroit is the place that gave birth to the term "White Flight", right?
Do you want photos of my father's airplane with me alongside him? Do you want the news story along with my previous address listing where another ex-roomate of mine blew his head off with a gun?
BlackCat, I accept at face value whatever your life story is. There is nothing about mine that is ridiculous. The only reason things are "magically brought up" is because, DUH, we bring them up according to the topic. I wouldn't mention my roommate getting a DWB on a thread about the World Cup. It might come up on a thread where the subject is strict law enforcement.
Sorry I've had a good life filled with interesting things. Maybe if you led a more interesting life, you might not find the idea that someone can do have these events in their life as being such a wild idea. |
I did take your experiences at face value. Then when suddenly you came from a family of highly experienced pilots and had hundreds of hours of flying yourself after the Asiana crash I started to be skeptical, but whatever it's the internet. Then when you suddenly were a maritime expert with thousands of hours at sea after people started calling you out for defending the Sewol captain I just started mocking you. It's a joke. Every single topic you engage in you have some sort of professional personal experience that only gets more and more intense if people question you about it or come back with their own. "Oh, you're an ex-military pilot? Well...I have elenventy billion hours in the cockpick in intergalactic warfare!"
You know what's the most obvious part of your lies and exaggerations? The fact that you get so riled up and lash out if anyone calls you on it. Normally when someone says something and people don't believe them they're like, "Whatever, I don't care what you think." You just keep upping the ante and strike out with accusations of racism. I mean of course if I laugh at yet another one of your convenient expert life experiences I must obviously believe there are no black people or racism in Michigan. Of course. Natural conclusion for a rational person there.
Like I said, if all these outlandish stories were true you wouldn't really care what some guy on the internet thought of them. But your reaction betrays you. Just like how you lose your mind when people bring up how you defended the Sewol captain. If you really didn't, then you wouldn't care what people say. Me thinks he doth protests too much, as they say. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:13 am Post subject: |
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I would just like to report that my yummy chicken just arrived 23min after placing the phone call. That's fast!!
Thank you Korean police for not harassing my delivery driver, he's a working man, he has places to go, and chicken to deliver.  |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:28 am Post subject: Re: The world's most incompetent police force? |
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Honestly, I'm always amazed at the "do nothing" attitude, and sheer incompetence, of Korea's police. We all know how they enforce traffic laws, spitting laws, littering laws, and so forth. But their inability to catch the owner of that ferry is mind-boggling. How incompetent do they have to be? But I'm not terribly surprised he slipped through the net. They sat outside the compound for over a week as trucks and cars went in and out unchecked by the police. Robert over at Marmot's Hole even posted about visiting the compound and talking to some of the cult members. He said that he saw three police cars near the gate. They weren't checking any vehicles going in or out. He even took a photo of the cops in one car - they were fast asleep. 
Honestly, the incompetence is really hard to comprehend. Not finding this guy is just the icing on the cake of sheer incompetence that has characterized every single detail about this disaster.
No wonder people are pissed off. |
Korea's culture is to blame for at least most of its problems.
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:33 am Post subject: Re: The world's most incompetent police force? |
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| Smithington wrote: |
| Honestly, I'm always amazed at the "do nothing" attitude, and sheer incompetence, of Korea's police. |
The upside is it's not a police state here in Korea. They let people be... |
Myself and at least 2 other regular posters here were falsely arrested on separate occasions. The police treated all of us like we lived in a police state. And I was found guilty on grounds that were proved to be false. Ruined my life. |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Korean friends (or friends’ of friends) who have had direct experience of some really bad/sad/highest level criminal behavior have ALL been let down by the police.
Korean judges (50+ males at least) are a JOKE!
Any Korean who tells you otherwise has either never had direct experience with them/is a 50+ male/or comes from a rich family (is connected.)
If I was ever accused of anything even remotely bad, even if I had CCTV proving my innocence, I would seriously think about getting out of Korea ASAP.
Even the President, who recently went on TV and said the Seowl owner god guy was a criminal and should be in jail - very democratic!
I think judges (in all countries) should be made to do a kind of MOT every 4-5 years to prove that they're still in touch with the real world.
They spend most of their lives hiding from the people that they've put in jail (understandable) generally living in the most expensive/nicest neighborhood’s, they're never on the 'street,' their kids go to the best schools, they generally only hang around with 'higher class people.'
The problem with Korea is there is no real 'hands on training' for any jobs.
They pass a test, by memorizing a book, then hey presto - go out and DO IT!
Korea being Korea, they feel that they can't ask for help/advice, so they just bumble through, @$%#@ing up and learning (hopefully) from their mistakes! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| Then when suddenly you came from a family of highly experienced pilots and had hundreds of hours of flying yourself after the Asiana crash |
Actually, I've mentioned my family being pilots in other threads. Just because you didn't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.
Do you want pictures of me with my parents next to the airplane? I can email them to you.
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| Then when you suddenly were a maritime expert with thousands of hours at sea after people started calling you out for defending the Sewol captain I just started mocking you. It's a joke |
BUT I NEVER SAID THAT. I said that I went yachting with my uncle a couple times and besides that canoeing a little. I WAS MAKING LIGHT OF MY OWN LACK OF EXPERIENCE.
You do realize that when I said yachting and canoeing, that that was the same as me saying "I've been to a couple baseball games, so I know what it's like to be a Major Leaguer", right? Good grief you need to brush up on the ol reading comprehension.
You do realize that in SE Michigan, lots of people do water-related activities right? It's not Arizona, its the state surrounded by the GREAT LAKES.
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| Like I said, if all these outlandish stories were true you wouldn't really care what some guy on the internet thought of them. But your reaction betrays you. |
Because you are actually willing to engage me BlackCat. And I don't appreciate you calling me a liar.
Anyways, if you were as street smart as you think you are, you'd know that people often accused of making stuff up when its not true do indeed protest. |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Are you wondering why the police are leery of storming a religious building, amidst a media circus, that has a bunch of cultists inside, where said cult has a history of suicidal incidents?
This isn't just a Korean culture thing. Most governments that aren't run by autocrats tend to be cautious about such things. Something about said cult leader ordering his followers to all drink the kool-aid should he be arrested or the like tends to hold the authorities back as 500 dead people tends not to go over too well.
And yes, the what Lucas said about the history of the police and the military dictatorship. This isn't culture, this is history.
Or you could go live in the US and have the cops bust into your house and mow down your grandmother and blame it on her "resisting arrest" when she stands up holding her phone and some hopped up SWAT dude says "She's got a gun". Everyday we seem to get new viral videos of cops going crazy and abusing their authority.
Anyways, have you ever tried talking to KCops and asking them why things are the way they are? Or do you just sit from afar and mock them? |
This is so chock-full of stupid I don't know where to begin. It's one thing to be cautious about arresting a cult leader due to unforseen consequences, but do keep him under surveillence and seize him when the time is opportune. Don't let trucks and cars go in and out of the compound unchecked. And don't be sleeping in your frigging police car.
And yes, the incompetence of Korea's police emphatically is about culture. Germany had an authoritarian past but today it doesn't have incompetent 'do nothing' police the way Korea does. Nor does former East Germany which endured a second type of authoritarian police force after the collapse of Naziism. Yet it has responsible, competent policing today. So it is about culture. Saying it's "about history and not culture" is just idiotic. You make it sound as if the two things have nothing to do with each other.
The correct reaction to abusive police under an authoritarian regime is to reform the police along democratic lines, making them accountable to the law. It's just batshit crazy to go to the other extreme and have basically no policing at all. That's in nobody's interest. Korea has the highest rate of pedestrian road fatalities in the OECD because the police aren't doing their jobs. No policing can be as destructive as bad policing. Lives are being lost because the police are not doing their jobs.
Honestly, do I really need to explain this to you? |
Triple word! |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| I dont really care about the scooter on sidewalk thing or sidewalk parking within crrtain limits (low speed, truck offloading goods). The exigencies of commerce demand it. |
I suppose the owners/managers of the Sewol felt the same way.
Gotta put laws and safety aside for the almighty won! |
Right, but allowing a truck to back onto the sidewalk to offload goods is not the same as overloading ferries. Just as wanting more stringent enforcement of parking doesnt mean you want something like the Bloomberg-NYC parking cartel.
You cam have someone drive a scooter on a sidewalk in a safe manner. At some point you have to recognize that true strict enforcement would approach logistical impossibility in a city like Seoul. A large chunk of the city would essentially grind to a halt, delivery costs would skyrocket, and working hours would increase. |
Very well argued. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ralph Winfield wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| I dont really care about the scooter on sidewalk thing or sidewalk parking within crrtain limits (low speed, truck offloading goods). The exigencies of commerce demand it. |
I suppose the owners/managers of the Sewol felt the same way.
Gotta put laws and safety aside for the almighty won! |
Right, but allowing a truck to back onto the sidewalk to offload goods is not the same as overloading ferries. Just as wanting more stringent enforcement of parking doesnt mean you want something like the Bloomberg-NYC parking cartel.
You cam have someone drive a scooter on a sidewalk in a safe manner. At some point you have to recognize that true strict enforcement would approach logistical impossibility in a city like Seoul. A large chunk of the city would essentially grind to a halt, delivery costs would skyrocket, and working hours would increase. |
Very well argued. |
Prove it. Korea's low productivity can be improved. It just takes thought and the willingness to do things in a new and better way.
Why is someone in education so against people LEARNING better and safer ways to do things?
As for the scooter on the sidewalk, sure it can be safe, if, for instance, the sidewalk is on Mars and there's no one else using it. But your stated case is a hypothetical's dream of a hypothetical's dream of a hypothetical. Come on down to earth and cluck along with kimchininja's boney China bred chickens. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| along with kimchininja's boney China bred chickens. |
The chicken was really tasty. Delivery would have taken 90 minutes in the inefficient USA and been cold. Koreans get s@#$ done!! |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| along with kimchininja's boney China bred chickens. |
The chicken was really tasty. Delivery would have taken 90 minutes in the inefficient USA and been cold. Koreans get s@#$ done!! |
Well at least you got the s@#t part right.
Maybe when Koreans can figure out how to open a chicken shack with comfortable seating, they can learn the delights of going out to eat.
But if you're just going to eat mediocre fried chicken anyway, maybe staying at home and sitting on the floor with the screaming kids makes sense. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| All it would mean is a few people have to wait a bit longer. (Granted, Koreans tend not to be very good at waiting, but they could learn.) |
...or we could keep getting our chicken dinner delivery on time.
I vote for that option, as do all the Koreans. You guys lose. |
I wouldn't say the Koreans "voted" on this... it's just the way it happens to be, mainly because there is little to no enforcement of traffic laws. |
It is a reflection of their values. They value functionality/utility. Good for them. |
It's just as much about impatience, and yeah there are benefits to that, but it still doesn't mean they have to drive like psycho A-holes and ignore all traffic laws to save half a minute driving time.
But hey, it's a reflection of their values as you say. When you don't care about anyone else around you, why NOT drive like that?
And the reason they can and do drive like that is the police are nowhere to be found (which also has benefits and drawbacks). |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: The world's most incompetent police force? |
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| Ralph Winfield wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
| Honestly, I'm always amazed at the "do nothing" attitude, and sheer incompetence, of Korea's police. |
The upside is it's not a police state here in Korea. They let people be... |
Myself and at least 2 other regular posters here were falsely arrested on separate occasions. The police treated all of us like we lived in a police state. And I was found guilty on grounds that were proved to be false. Ruined my life. |
im curious as to what happened. I know there are some apologists, mixed koreans, etc who stand up for Korea and would probably say you deserved it, but im genuinely curious as to what happened. Care to elaborate? |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: The world's most incompetent police force? |
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im curious as to what happened. I know there are some apologists, mixed koreans, etc who stand up for Korea and would probably say you deserved it, but im genuinely curious as to what happened. Care to elaborate? |
When people have elaborated on Dave's in the past, it turned out they asked for it. "I was just wandering thru Itaewon drunk as hell, at 2AM, randomly insulting Korea loudly, when some guy came out of nowhere and punched me in the face." 
Skeptical. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: The world's most incompetent police force? |
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im curious as to what happened. I know there are some apologists, mixed koreans, etc who stand up for Korea and would probably say you deserved it, but im genuinely curious as to what happened. Care to elaborate? |
When people have elaborated on Dave's in the past, it turned out they asked for it. "I was just wandering thru Itaewon drunk as hell, at 2AM, randomly insulting Korea loudly, when some guy came out of nowhere and punched me in the face."
Skeptical. |
That is an idiotic comment. They still wouldn't deserve it at that point. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. I dont walk around decking every person who says something that I find offending. |
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