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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:44 pm Post subject: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| That's what I'll be making(plus per diem) in a new industry upon my return to my homeland. So for all those that say native Eng. teachers are losers, how can that be? And what's all this about "no jobs back home"? This was after I bought myself a new vehicle(cash). Maybe a bit premature but I don't think so since I'm a hard worker and after about 2 months of training will probably see a nice jump in pay, per diem, and benefits. This job supposedly requires math/trig which I dropped in college but the company is willing to train and I got the job all by myself(Nepotism not). I've always been on my own, no mommy or daddy EVER sent me money, washed my clothes, or cooked for me since I was 18. Oh, and unlike S. Korea I'll actually be getting paid for overtime. I already see myself becoming a leader in the industry. How many waygooks are leaders in the Eng. teaching industry in S. Korea? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Is this some kind of joke? You can make more than that working for CDI |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:00 am Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week
That's what I'll be making(plus per diem) in a new industry upon my return to my homeland. |
Floorhands, rigpigs and roughnecks on a rig make more than that with a grade 8 education and a week long training session for their certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS.
Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits.
Your new job only looks good if your other option was drive though server at McDs. Would you like fries with that? (Do you need trig to calculate fries /serving - fries per package?)
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:53 am Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week
That's what I'll be making(plus per diem) in a new industry upon my return to my homeland. |
Floorhands, rigpigs and roughnecks on a rig make more than that with a grade 8 education and a week long training session for their certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS.
Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits.
Your new job only looks good if your other option was drive though server at McDs. Would you like fries with that? (Do you need trig to calculate fries /serving - fries per package?)
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What, you're upset because you're not a leader in the industry?
Oh I get it, you're promoting teaching in S. Korea. 
Promoting Eng. teaching here ain't gonna do it for you but keep trying. 
"...certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS."
Huh, eight grade level educated people abroad receive safety training?
I say those eight grade levelers with safety knowledge should go to S. Korea and teach them a thing or two.
"Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits."
That's 120 thousand Won at six hours per day with "benefits" you may or may not get/have to FIGHT for. And don't even think about overtime as a S. Korean "benefit." S. Korean employers couldn't ever keep me busy enough and if they could I wouldn't have been paid for it. 
How much overtime pay do you get 
"Entry level" is what S. Korea wants and if you get more pay than "entry level" consider yourself lucky because after you ask for a raise you might get one after the first year but that's it(expect to be replaced for an "entry leveler" the next year), at which point you'll have to go find another job and take a big gamble that things will be better somewhere else.
That's only about 2.1 million Won per month which isn't enough money for me.  |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week
That's what I'll be making(plus per diem) in a new industry upon my return to my homeland. |
Floorhands, rigpigs and roughnecks on a rig make more than that with a grade 8 education and a week long training session for their certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS.
Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits.
Your new job only looks good if your other option was drive though server at McDs. Would you like fries with that? (Do you need trig to calculate fries /serving - fries per package?)
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What, you're upset because you're not a leader in the industry?
Oh I get it, you're promoting teaching in S. Korea.
Promoting Eng. teaching here ain't gonna do it for you but keep trying.
"...certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS."
Huh, eight grade level educated people abroad receive safety training?
I say those eight grade levelers with safety knowledge should go to S. Korea and teach them a thing or two.
"Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits."
That's 120 thousand Won at six hours per day with "benefits" you may or may not get/have to FIGHT for. And don't even think about overtime as a S. Korean "benefit." S. Korean employers couldn't ever keep me busy enough and if they could I wouldn't have been paid for it.
How much overtime pay do you get
"Entry level" is what S. Korea wants and if you get more pay than "entry level" consider yourself lucky because after you ask for a raise you might get one after the first year but that's it(expect to be replaced for an "entry leveler" the next year), at which point you'll have to go find another job and take a big gamble that things will be better somewhere else.
That's only about 2.1 million Won per month which isn't enough money for me. |
I was earning twice that before I came out here.
the difference is, the hours were shift rotated and so I couldn't always climb with my friends and meet them or go out with people on a friday night or what ever. Some days, I wouldnt even get to talk to the person I was sharing a bed with with.
I also had A LOT of responsibility - thats quite stressful in itself. I was basically living for the job.
The pay might be a lot lower here, but my quality of life is about 200 percent better.
Everyone has different priorities in life - yours are working a lot of overtime, getting ahead in your job - mine is rock climbing and my other hobbies. That doesn't give me the right to judge you though.
Anyway, good luck when you go home! |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| That's what I'll be making(plus per diem) in a new industry upon my return to my homeland. So for all those that say native Eng. teachers are losers, how can that be? And what's all this about "no jobs back home"? This was after I bought myself a new vehicle(cash). Maybe a bit premature but I don't think so since I'm a hard worker and after about 2 months of training will probably see a nice jump in pay, per diem, and benefits. This job supposedly requires math/trig which I dropped in college but the company is willing to train and I got the job all by myself(Nepotism not). I've always been on my own, no mommy or daddy EVER sent me money, washed my clothes, or cooked for me since I was 18. Oh, and unlike S. Korea I'll actually be getting paid for overtime. I already see myself becoming a leader in the industry. How many waygooks are leaders in the Eng. teaching industry in S. Korea? |
congrats man, you make about as much as anybody that has been here for a few years. What's that about 40k after tax? I know a lot of lowly teachers making that working 30 hours a week. |
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newchamp
Joined: 09 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| DaeguNL wrote: |
| congrats man, you make about as much as anybody that has been here for a few years. What's that about 40k after tax? I know a lot of lowly teachers making that working 30 hours a week. |
Please outline how everybody who has been here a few years ends up making 40k/year after tax. Explain how this is done. I'm not much of a networker, so maybe I'm out of the loop, but I don't really buy what you say. There have been some experienced teachers here having trouble getting work the past couple years.
Anyway, congratulations OP. If your new job is satisfying, you've made the right move. You'll make more and you'll be building towards a better future.
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week
That's what I'll be making(plus per diem) in a new industry upon my return to my homeland. |
Floorhands, rigpigs and roughnecks on a rig make more than that with a grade 8 education and a week long training session for their certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS.
Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits.
Your new job only looks good if your other option was drive though server at McDs. Would you like fries with that? (Do you need trig to calculate fries /serving - fries per package?)
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What, you're upset because you're not a leader in the industry?
Oh I get it, you're promoting teaching in S. Korea.
Promoting Eng. teaching here ain't gonna do it for you but keep trying.
"...certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS."
Huh, eight grade level educated people abroad receive safety training?
I say those eight grade levelers with safety knowledge should go to S. Korea and teach them a thing or two.
"Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits."
That's 120 thousand Won at six hours per day with "benefits" you may or may not get/have to FIGHT for. And don't even think about overtime as a S. Korean "benefit." S. Korean employers couldn't ever keep me busy enough and if they could I wouldn't have been paid for it.
How much overtime pay do you get
"Entry level" is what S. Korea wants and if you get more pay than "entry level" consider yourself lucky because after you ask for a raise you might get one after the first year but that's it(expect to be replaced for an "entry leveler" the next year), at which point you'll have to go find another job and take a big gamble that things will be better somewhere else.
That's only about 2.1 million Won per month which isn't enough money for me. |
Actually, ttompatz doesn't need to promote teaching in Korea since he owns his own business in another country with more than 300 employees already. He works in South Korea as an educational consultant when he is here, and he probably gave you the most health dose of the truth than you have had in a while. Go home and earn your $20+ working your 60 hrs or more. No one is begging you to stay here. Just remember that when you leave, don't burn any bridges you may have to cross in the future. Not trying to bust your chops on this, but building yourself up at the expense of other people you know nothing about is not particularly endearing to the people who have been on the forums much longer than you and made positive contributions to others you have no clue of. Happy job back home |
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newchamp
Joined: 09 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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While the OP could have left out his theories about ttompatz's motives, I agree with the second half of his post. Particularly:
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
How much overtime pay do you get
"Entry level" is what S. Korea wants and if you get more pay than "entry level" consider yourself lucky because after you ask for a raise you might get one after the first year but that's it(expect to be replaced for an "entry leveler" the next year), at which point you'll have to go find another job and take a big gamble that things will be better somewhere else. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| newchamp wrote: |
While the OP could have left out his theories about ttompatz's motives, I agree with the second half of his post. Particularly:
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
How much overtime pay do you get
"Entry level" is what S. Korea wants and if you get more pay than "entry level" consider yourself lucky because after you ask for a raise you might get one after the first year but that's it(expect to be replaced for an "entry leveler" the next year), at which point you'll have to go find another job and take a big gamble that things will be better somewhere else. |
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In fairness to the OP and you, I have to say I agree. Actually, I believe it is in the design of the business people to keep foreign workers at the 'entry level' salary range. It somehow gives them the sense that they are in control and have the 'power.'
Screwed up, yes, going to change, not likely. Making a decision to stay and gain my citizenship was mostly in regard to my immediate family, but I have to say that having more options opened to me now that I have become a naturalized Korean citizen is nice when compared to some of my other friends who constantly fight the same struggles the OP mentioned. I truly meant the guy no harm and I DO hope he has success in the new job back home. Cheers |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| What, you're upset because you're not a leader in the industry? |
I can live without being an "industry leader".
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/IMG_3269.jpg (me as keynote speaker at a DepEd conference in the Philippines (2nd from right).
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/crosscultural01.jpg (me on far left) symposium in Thailand on Cross Cultural Cross National Research.
Others are international researchers, secretary of education (Thailand) and president of Chulalongkorn University.
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| Oh I get it, you're promoting teaching in S. Korea. |
Not really. Just comparing your $20/hr job to entry level wages here at $20/hr.
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"...certificates in first aid, H2S and WHIMS."
Huh, eight grade level educated people abroad receive safety training? |
They do if they want to work on a rig.
Some countries, unlike yours, actually care about worker safety rather than just pay lip service to it.
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| I say those eight grade levelers with safety knowledge should go to S. Korea and teach them a thing or two. |
I won't argue that point.
| Los Angeloser wrote: |
"Entry level teachers in Korea make $20+/hour + benefits."
That's 120 thousand Won at six hours per day with "benefits" you may or may not get/have to FIGHT for. And don't even think about overtime as a S. Korean "benefit." S. Korean employers couldn't ever keep me busy enough and if they could I wouldn't have been paid for it.
How much overtime pay do you get |
Just because you got burned at a hagwon doesn't mean everyone does.
Oh, and last year I earned about 40 million krw for 16 weeks work as a consultant but no "overtime" in that.
I also run a small school:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/frontdoorkg.jpg
with about 650 kids in the kindy
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/openday1.jpg
and 3000 students in the other grades (this year).
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"Entry level" is what S. Korea wants and if you get more pay than "entry level" consider yourself lucky because after you ask for a raise you might get one after the first year but that's it(expect to be replaced for an "entry leveler" the next year), at which point you'll have to go find another job and take a big gamble that things will be better somewhere else.
That's only about 2.1 million Won per month which isn't enough money for me. |
Some people just don't do well as expats.
I hope you have better luck at home with your new job.
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newchamp
Joined: 09 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:33 am Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| I estimate 99.99% of ESL expats are not doing as well as you, Ttompatz, even among F-visa holders. I estimate 99% of Korean hagwon owners are not even doing as well as you. You'd be a fool to leave the industry at this point, but most expats (especially those on mere E-2 visas) have little to lose. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:09 am Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| newchamp wrote: |
| I estimate 99.99% of ESL expats are not doing as well as you, Ttompatz, even among F-visa holders. I estimate 99% of Korean hagwon owners are not even doing as well as you. You'd be a fool to leave the industry at this point, but most expats (especially those on mere E-2 visas) have little to lose. |
I came to Asia at the end of the dot.com bubble with not much more than 1 suitcase, some great tales of the high life in IT, a couple of degree parchments in my laptop bag and I started here on an E2.
I never did get that "coveted" F-visa.
Options are out there for those willing to put in the effort.
Build on your skill set -
There is (big) money to be made in Early Childhood Education (all over Asia) - so don't think that kindy is just playing games and entertainment (although that can be a component of ECE).
Learn the craft and take it to the next level.
Add credentials that move you forward.
Don't get a MA and hope it will lead to something.
Find what you want to do/like to do and get the credentials to make it happen.
It's not the paper that is important. It is the skills and knowledge.
Parchments are just wallpaper.
If you don't like working in the classroom, look at the business side of education.
Front office, back office, classroom and marketing are all necessary components.
Find YOUR niche.
If you have skills and really do understand marketing (PPPP, SWOT) then you are a goldmine looking for a place to happen.
If you understand the education industry as well then you can pretty much write your own ticket.
NETWORK YOUR AZZ OFF.
It really is all about who you know and more importantly, who knows you.
Make those connections.
Get good at what you do and become a professional speaker.
I earn $500 - $1500 /day + travel and expenses for "part-time work" as a professional speaker.
Add to your skill set and get into curriculum design, educational consulting, research, etc.
$40k last year in consulting fees (part time work).
The "headliner" teachers (all subjects) in Hong Kong drive around in Lamborghinis.
Top earners are in the $500/class hour range with waiting lists to get into their classes.
Top test-prep hagwons in Gangnam are fast approaching those levels.
IF being in the classroom is your forte then make it happen for you.
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:36 am Post subject: Re: 20 + per hour and 60 hours per week |
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| Your new job only looks good if your other option was drive though server at McDs. Would you like fries with that? (Do you need trig to calculate fries /serving - fries per package?). |
Your demeaning attitude toward fast food workers is sickening. Surely there are those who started as low down "servers at McDs" who are making good money today at whatever. But I'm sure they're not like you because you are so great. What an "Educator"
Did your mommy & daddy give you the money to open the school? You say "network" so why don't you come forward, you know, lead by example and tell us who you are or are we "beneath" you?
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OBwannabe
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I was making $20/hr back in Canada with some really great benefits. But as I wasn't wise enough to pay off my student loans during my first stint in Korea + the rising cost of living, not much of that 20 bucks per hour was left at the end of the month. Luckily I paid cash for my crappy old car, because a car payment would have killed me. So here I am back in Korea because I just didn't see myself getting ahead back home on that salary. Overtime will help though...unfortunately that proved impossible due to some health issues.
With all sincerity, good luck. I hope you kill it back home.
Ttompatz
May I ask how old you were when you showed up in Korea with little more than a suitcase? Did you not have a tidy little nest-egg from your IT days? How many years have you been in the ESL circus? Your accomplishments are certainly impressive.
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