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maximmm
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But...and not to toot my own horn (I realize I am new) but something needs to be recognized in regards to "race".
Why did over 95% of African Americans vote for Obama...and I though I can speculate, I cannot imagine most actually looked into his past, his voting record, those he surrounded himself with...(I can say the same for all of those who voted for him).
I'm not trying to hijack the thread or use a deflection point...BUT...when it comes to "race" and "race wars"...I believe it is a legitimate narrative. |
There is no doubt that the divide between people is real in terms of race, religion, ethnicity and ideology - each one of those seems to breed conflict and false sense of superiority.
The main idea, however, is that all of these differences are a byproduct of our cultural upbringing. We are taught from an early age to believe that we are inherently different from and (often) better than people of other race/religion/etc. The idea that we are all one human race and that we should strive towards one common goal via cooperation is almost never taught -
Oh, our nations do group together at times and that's usually for the purpose of destroying some other nation. When that nation is destroyed, our unity disappears and then we turn on one another (in the span of decades/centuries - not necessarily years).
Is it our genetics that causes this? Probably. Perhaps our race would have gone extinct a long time ago if we did not mass-murder each other once in a while - but when you think about it, it's kind of dumb - |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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It seems as though Lucas has a sock account! We're not stupid, we can see through this BS! |
I'm not following you. Can you please define what "sock account" is? If you are referring to two accounts, linked together as if they are a pair of socks, OK.
But I assure you, that is not the case.
Ease up. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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There is no doubt that the divide between people is real in terms of race, religion, ethnicity and ideology - each one of those seems to breed conflict and false sense of superiority.
The main idea, however, is that all of these differences are a byproduct of our cultural upbringing. We are taught from an early age to believe that we are inherently different from and (often) better than people of other race/religion/etc. The idea that we are all one human race and that we should strive towards one common goal via cooperation is almost never taught -
Oh, our nations do group together at times and that's usually for the purpose of destroying some other nation. When that nation is destroyed, our unity disappears and then we turn on one another (in the span of decades/centuries - not necessarily years).
Is it our genetics that causes this? Probably. Perhaps our race would have gone extinct a long time ago if we did not mass-murder each other once in a while - but when you think about it, it's kind of dumb - |
Good points...especially the one in bold.
But...if nobody thinks, things continue as they are. The status quo will remain. |
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Lucas
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trueblue
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Your point being, Lucas? |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:55 am Post subject: |
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I really do not understand why "race" is still used. Well, I have an idea, which is to perhaps, create division amongst the ranks.
Has it not been proven by both science and anthropology that "race" is merely a social construct? The issues, from my undertanding, are simply ethnic and cultural divides.
Are some better then others, in terms of behavior and geography?
THAT, is a question to ruminate over. |
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The concept of race was invented in Europe several hundred years ago. Not sure maybe the 15th century, can't recall but before then everyone saw your nationality not your race. Even the bible doesn't speak of race but of nations. Some nations were diverse. The Roman empire had all kinds of people of as citizens and they were simply Roman. There were Jewish Romans (like Paul in the New Testament), Black, Greek, Spanish, etc.
Your speech, culture and dress was what people labled you as. If you spoke greek, dressed as a greek and acted greek culturally, you were greek. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:01 am Post subject: |
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But...and not to toot my own horn (I realize I am new) but something needs to be recognized in regards to "race".
Why did over 95% of African Americans vote for Obama...and I though I can speculate, I cannot imagine most actually looked into his past, his voting record, those he surrounded himself with...(I can say the same for all of those who voted for him).
I'm not trying to hijack the thread or use a deflection point...BUT...when it comes to "race" and "race wars"...I believe it is a legitimate narrative. |
Many groups voted in very high percentage for a party or canidate. Latinos voted well over 70% for Obama. Jews in NYC vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Southern white fundamentalists vote as high and higher for white Republicans.
It doesn't seem an issue when other races or groups vote in significantlyi high numbers but Blacks do and its noticed. Its the media's doing, not you, I'm addressing really.
As for being labled if you didn't vote for Obama, that's not across the board. What doesn't help being labled as such is that the Republican party has done some things that seem to target Blacks such as the voter ID laws whose only purpose is to limit a certain demographic and lets face it, the rhetoric from Republicans doesn't help (Palin saying Obama is shucking and jiving, etc. ).
What I have seen is when minorities discuss race its defensive. Its a reaction to perceived racism from Whites. The view is returned as well.
However, no one can tell me that minorities don't want inclusion and that if there are 'racist' views/actions from them its because of being excluded and its a defense mechanism. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Many groups voted in very high percentage for a party or canidate. Latinos voted well over 70% for Obama. Jews in NYC vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Southern white fundamentalists vote as high and higher for white Republicans.
It doesn't seem an issue when other races or groups vote in significantlyi high numbers but Blacks do and its noticed. Its the media's doing, not you, I'm addressing really.
As for being labled if you didn't vote for Obama, that's not across the board. What doesn't help being labled as such is that the Republican party has done some things that seem to target Blacks such as the voter ID laws whose only purpose is to limit a certain demographic and lets face it, the rhetoric from Republicans doesn't help (Palin saying Obama is shucking and jiving, etc. ).
What I have seen is when minorities discuss race its defensive. Its a reaction to perceived racism from Whites. The view is returned as well.
However, no one can tell me that minorities don't want inclusion and that if there are 'racist' views/actions from them its because of being excluded and its a defense mechanism. |
Good points....even Asian Americans had a large majority of Democrat votes.
Though, this is why I am not affiliated with either party. I am registered with the American Constitution Party.
The honest, yet brutal truth, is that most Americans have no clue as to what "Democrats" and "Republicans", and their associated ideologies TRULLY, stand for, in the modern political arena. Many Americans, unfortunately, go with the flow that is directed by social icons, celebrities who associate themselves with political ideology and sound-bite journalism.
The loyalty to party ideology was of huge concern to John Adams...turns out he was right.
They have changed over the years...and it is amazing. Actually, I am referring more to the ideologies of conservatism vs. liberalism.
I thank Professor Williams for my Political Theory class....
I speculate that, the problem lies, with uninformed voters...or is it, ill-informed voters.
Either way...it has plagued America...for quite some time. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Many groups voted in very high percentage for a party or canidate. Latinos voted well over 70% for Obama. Jews in NYC vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Southern white fundamentalists vote as high and higher for white Republicans.
It doesn't seem an issue when other races or groups vote in significantlyi high numbers but Blacks do and its noticed. Its the media's doing, not you, I'm addressing really.
As for being labled if you didn't vote for Obama, that's not across the board. What doesn't help being labled as such is that the Republican party has done some things that seem to target Blacks such as the voter ID laws whose only purpose is to limit a certain demographic and lets face it, the rhetoric from Republicans doesn't help (Palin saying Obama is shucking and jiving, etc. ).
What I have seen is when minorities discuss race its defensive. Its a reaction to perceived racism from Whites. The view is returned as well.
However, no one can tell me that minorities don't want inclusion and that if there are 'racist' views/actions from them its because of being excluded and its a defense mechanism. |
Good points....even Asian Americans had a large majority of Democrat votes.
Though, this is why I am not affiliated with either party. I am registered with the American Constitution Party.
The honest, yet brutal truth, is that most Americans have no clue as to what "Democrats" and "Republicans", and their associated ideologies TRULLY, stand for, in the modern political arena. Many Americans, unfortunately, go with the flow that is directed by social icons, celebrities who associate themselves with political ideology and sound-bite journalism.
The loyalty to party ideology was of huge concern to John Adams...turns out he was right.
They have changed over the years...and it is amazing. Actually, I am referring more to the ideologies of conservatism vs. liberalism.
I thank Professor Williams for my Political Theory class....
I speculate that, the problem lies, with uninformed voters...or is it, ill-informed voters.
Either way...it has plagued America...for quite some time. |
It's a two party system, dude. In other words - a partial dictatorship. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a two party system, dude. In other words - a partial dictatorship |
Indeed it is. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a two party system, dude. In other words - a partial dictatorship |
Indeed...two sides of the same coin. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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The two parties have successfully fooled 99.9% of Americans into referring to our political system as a 'two party system' as if it was designed to be so.
It was NOT. The founding fathers NEVER intended for political parties. We morphed and evolved (I would suggest 'devolved') into political parties but it was NEVER the intended of the framers.
Politicians were originally seen to be a duty by well intentioned and informed men who wanted to better the country. It was NEVER intended to be a job and one was expected to go back to private life after.
This so called two party system is the ONLY thing that both parties can agree on. They created the organization for debates that makes it difficult for any other party to participate. Same with the primary system. Its very hard to get on the ballot. Its by design to limit the choices to two. The media goes along with it as well.
But I digress |
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