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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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Le-Paul...I"m sorry you feel the way you do. I cannot say I would act any differently. Then again, I would not simply go out of my way to make others feel as miserable (as you are projecting) as myself. |
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hey, Im not miserable! I represent that comment!
i dont have any problem with your motivation for wanting to help a kid who is lacking in self esteem and ability, however. i find it hard to believe that a kid, stood up in front of a classroom full of his peers and willing admitted (sorry have to write this in konglish - my korean blows)
"ani-yeo, na nun babo im ni da", to which there wasnt raucous laughter and subsequent teasing for the remainder of the lesson.
it seems more like you spoon fed the concept of stupidity rather than focussing on relevant ability levels - something which was highlighted in your anecdote.
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anyway, havent you heard of altruism?
An altruistic act would not be to come onto a forum and use an example of a childs self abasement measured against your righteous virtue to illustrate a point.
Saying "i dont want to be rude, but..." doesnt negate the fact that you just were rude. What kind of skewed logic would that be? Re- quote "I'm not patting myself on the back..." actually, you are but you somehow think that by saying your not doing it, will mean your not doing it or delude/confuse/mislead others.
Anyway, to me your post seems self aggrandising. Another reason I jumped on you - not out of spitefulness - quite the contrary. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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hey, Im not miserable! I represent that comment!
i dont have any problem with your motivation for wanting to help a kid who is lacking in self esteem and ability, however. i find it hard to believe that a kid, stood up in front of a classroom full of his peers and willing admitted (sorry have to write this in konglish - my korean blows)
"ani-yeo, na nun babo im ni da", to which there wasnt raucous laughter and subsequent teasing for the remainder of the lesson.
it seems more like you spoon fed the concept of stupidity rather than focussing on relevant ability levels - something which was highlighted in your anecdote.
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anyway, havent you heard of altruism?
An altruistic act would not be to come onto a forum and use an example of a childs self abasement measured against your righteous act to illustrate a point.
To me that seems self aggrandising. Another reason I jumped on you - not out of spitefulness - the contrary |
To begin with, the student did not stand up, as you assumed, an grandiosely announced he was "stupid".
Second, I am relieved that you do not have a problem for my desire to actually provide an overlooked student, an opportunity to build, even a little, self confidence in the classroom. Thank you.
Finally, while I do appreciate your opinion in reference to my motivation to make my post, it is far from the truth.
I was simply very happy that I saw the fruits of my labor, and perhaps, for one young scholar, may be my exclusive purpose for being in Korea. If, and I do mean IF, that helps a student to break free from whatever has him/her in shackles, in terms of confidence, ability or motivation, leading to a spark in which will send him/her off in a different yet positive direction in life, I am indeed, very happy.
So. you mistook my motives. However, your perception is YOUR reality and I humbly apologize if I gave you that impression, which provided you the encouragement to attack me. |
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sweetrevenge
Joined: 24 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| I was simply very happy that I saw the fruits of my labor, and perhaps, for one young scholar, may be my exclusive purpose for being in Korea. If, and I do mean IF, that helps a student to break free from whatever has him/her in shackles, in terms of confidence, ability or motivation, leading to a spark in which will send him/her off in a different yet positive direction in life, I am indeed, very happy. |
I find this whole thread amusing, but the only thing that came across as very pretentious was this quote. As a teacher, the most difficult part of getting students to learn is getting them to be motivated to learn and that doesn't happen overnight. Most of the time, students will say "Yes, we understand, you're a good teacher" just to be polite. Koreans will in fact do anything to avoid confrontation afterall. If you teach long and hard enough, students will realize the good you did sometime down the road when they're older. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| That would be quite a feat |
Not really...some "good old nature" and some "good old humor"....
..does not happen everyday, mind you. |
That joke went through you. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:49 am Post subject: |
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OP: You believe you achieved a small breakthrough in your classroom & credit to you for trying but its never that simple. The way you write about it is pompous & self-promoting. You've got lots more to learn before you start advising others how to run their classes, & even then, you'll still just be a humble teacher practicing a very inexact science.
Keep trying. Try not preaching. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| You've got lots more to learn before you start advising others how to run their classes, |
I respect what you said but can you show me where I was advising people on how to run their classes?
I like your avatar, by the way. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:25 am Post subject: |
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trueblue wrote:
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| ...you actually get through a student. |
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| That would be quite a feat |
Not really...some "good old nature" and some "good old humor"....
..does not happen everyday, mind you. |
That joke went through you. |
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I'll say it again--it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a
rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!" |
But is it easier to get through the eye of a needle or a student ... ?
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:27 am Post subject: |
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[quote]I'll say it again--it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a
Luckily I am not, nor shall I ever, be rich. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| But is it easier to get through the eye of a needle or a student ... |
It all depends in the approach...as, I'm sure, you would know. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| But is it easier to get through the eye of a needle or a student ... |
It all depends in the approach...as, I'm sure, you would know. |
I think it would have to be a very small approach. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| I think it would have to be a very small approach. |
Often times, it may be the small details that can be overlooked. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| But is it easier to get through the eye of a needle or a student ... |
I admit, THAT IS a good question...well done. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| I think it would have to be a very small approach. |
Often times, it may be the small details that can be overlooked. |
I've often thought that. But, I must say, you are breaking new ground in optimistic thinking. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| I've often thought that. But, I must say, you are breaking new ground in optimistic thinking |
Well, to be less vague in my answer, I shall be more specific.
A needle is difficult to bend. And, that which must be passed through, is small and delicate.
A student, can bend...a student can be realigned with encouragement, confidence and fortitude. The difference being, is what passes through the student.
A needle will always be a needle....a student has an alternate future.
But make no mistake, teaching does present dark times...no matter where you are. But, it is the times (in which I wrote in my original post) that do not exactly level the good from the negative...but make the negative more tolerable.
I stand by what I said and I am extremely proud of the student I mentioned. He acted with grace, confidence, and there was a change in his persona...and if my reason for being back in Korea again, is to simply provide one or two students an alternative (not just a perception of learning English) view of his or her capabilities, I feel it is worth it.
After all, I have no idea what his parents tell him when he is at home.
Again, if that is pretentious and pompous...I am happily, guilty as charged.
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| I've often thought that. But, I must say, you are breaking new ground in optimistic thinking |
Well, to be less vague in my answer, I shall be more specific.
A needle is difficult to bend. And, that which must be passed through, is small and delicate.
A student, can bend...a student can be realigned with encouragement, confidence and fortitude. The difference being, is what passes through the student.
A needed will always be a needle....a student has an alternate future. |
No argument here. |
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