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Masters: Online vs On-campus in Korea?

 
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rm7



Joined: 26 Jun 2014

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:49 am    Post subject: Masters: Online vs On-campus in Korea? Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I'm trying to decide which Masters to go for: online (e.g. Birmingham) or on-campus Korea (e.g. Sookmyung, Korea Uni).

My decision will boil down to which provides the better future job prospects.

I've read through the forums and read up as much as possible on the topic. Understandably, most discussion revolves around opinions, rather than facts. I wondered if there's anyone out there with first hand experience, e.g. that works on a hiring board, or has landed a job/been rejected for jobs based on their type of Masters?

Or even anyone who's personally experienced stigma regarding their online MA TESOL or on-campus Masters done in Korea?

My plan is to teach English at universities in Korea for a few years, perhaps elsewhere after that. Cheers for any help guys.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak specifically to the topic of "Korea vs on-line" but this (from Dave's International Board) may be relevant:

suphanburi wrote:
I can say, having gained a M.Ed (TEFL) from a respected research university (Chulalongkorn) in a non-anglophone country that in my personal experience it has NOT been an issue for further movement in academia or for employment.

Perhaps the only places that may consider it an issue might be the middle east or perhaps some uneducated employers in the US (they tend to be somewhat ethnocentric - even on a good day (if it isn't from the US then it must be somehow substandard)).

I have since presented at international conferences and international symposiums.
I have had no issues getting published because of where I gained my graduate degree.
I have had no issues with employment (but I haven't applied to jobs in the middle east either (nor do I ever intend to)).
I have been offered positions in Canada and for a US research team.


    The program and coursework that I undertook were delivered in English.
    The PhDs who were my lecturers and mentors were well versed in their respective subjects and well respected internationally in their fields.
    All of them were at least bilingual and most were multilingual.
    Their teaching and their classroom methodologies were not different than my experiences in Canada or the US when taking courses there.
    They were "westernized" in their approaches to teaching, assessment and research.


When I moved on to a related PhD it was not an issue because of my having a foreign "graduate level" degree nor is it an issue for doing research in my field.
I am currently engaged in exploring L2 basic literacy and the implications/impact on 4-skill language development and usage in an EFL environment.

At the end of the day it was a bonus for having done it abroad.

I gained useful insights into what I do and how I do it because I was in a multilingual, international environment.
I made some really great connections with others in my field (globally).
It got me involved in research projects that would have likely been closed to me had I done it at home.

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LPKSA



Joined: 24 Feb 2014
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earning a MA from either a brick and mortar or an online institution comes down to how much you are willing to sacrifice of your time, and how ambitious you are going to be.

Brick and mortar route is beneficial in that you are engaged in real conversations, with your classmates and professors, so there is more flexibility, and it might be clearer in understanding what is expected of you. Online route is beneficial as well, because it requires motivation, and you are more or less on your own, regardless of being in an Internet forum (which is essentially what it is.).

Either route you take, make sure the University holds credibility.

A lot of Academic Scholars out there have Online degrees.

If you are concerned in the Brick and Mortar route, have you considered looking into Framingham State University? They have a brick and mortar program in Seoul. I am not sure exactly where in Seoul it is. I met a Canadian man in Texas last year who did this program. This was at an interview with Aramco in the Middle East. I don't know if he was hired by Aramco or not.

If you do go the Online route, it's good that you are teaching. Some people who go the online route have absolutely zero teaching experience, yet they are still admitted by the University, which speaks volumes of the University itself.
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Bollocks



Joined: 12 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am taking an online course from a Brick and Mortar UK Uni whilst teaching in Korea.

It's nice that I'm getting paid and accruing experience while studying, but bear in mind that from your employers perspective, you are studying while working - and not the other way around.


Studying at a Korean Uni will grant you bonus points to the Korean F visa system - but that's of little use if you plan to work in Taiwan or Okinawa down the line.

You know how your students can fail to say a single bloody word and you still have to mark down a score of 70% minimum? I'm told it's like that all the way up the chain. So your degree is guaranteed without much effort on your part - which is nice.

Unless you are an employer looking at potential job candidates.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easily answered - if you were hiring people, and there were two candidates, one with a Master's from China or Korea, and one with a Master's from North America/decent European country/Australia, who would you look upon more favorably? You can see how flawed the education system in Korea is, so why would you want a degree from the same corrupt system?
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Fuzzy_Dunlop



Joined: 18 Jun 2014

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an MA TESOL from Korea and have been granted interviews at (and offers from) post-secondary schools in Oman, UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain.

I can't say for sure that the Korean MA got me those offers (I have other qualifications) but I can say for sure that it didn't disqualify me either.

The Qatar offer was from a school that specifically requires an on-site MA. The Bahrain offer was from a school that said they prefer on-site degrees, so I guess they would accept online degrees as well. The other schools never really discussed my MA during the interview so I don't even know if an MA was required at all.

My Korean MA seems to be more of a hinderance in Korea than anywhere else to be honest.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
Easily answered - if you were hiring people, and there were two candidates, one with a Master's from China or Korea, and one with a Master's from North America/decent European country/Australia, who would you look upon more favorably?


That kind of ethnocentrism is just not correct and outside of perhaps the US most employers won't worry what country your MA came from

- oh, and there aren't that many out here (as globe wanderers) who actually hold a related masters or better so the competition isn't that stiff.

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