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robbie_davies
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| I would say that was a fair comment. The US team would have beaten England handily based on their respective performances. |
I dont think the US played so well that they could say they would beat England 'handily'.
The losses to Italy and Uruguay+ Suraez whilst disappointing doesn't mean England are crap. I think you could make the case that at Brazil 2014 Uruguay+ Suraez and Costa Rica were much better sides than Portugal or Ghana. |
I do, seeing as they basically play the same kind of hard, physical, running game - well the Americans played it a lot better than England did. England showed a lack of guts in Brazil and were bullied out of the Uruguay game, I seriously doubt the Uruguayans would have done the same to team US.
I thought Ghana were very unlucky and the Portuguese were steamrollered by the Germans after going down to 10 men but I seriously doubt England would have qualified from that group if they had replaced the Yanks.
It is a sad state of affairs but there will be no argument that the United States have overtook England in the international football arena in another 10 years. Give the yanks credit, they are motoring. |
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Stain
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| robbie_davies wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
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| I would say that was a fair comment. The US team would have beaten England handily based on their respective performances. |
I dont think the US played so well that they could say they would beat England 'handily'.
The losses to Italy and Uruguay+ Suraez whilst disappointing doesn't mean England are crap. I think you could make the case that at Brazil 2014 Uruguay+ Suraez and Costa Rica were much better sides than Portugal or Ghana. |
I do, seeing as they basically play the same kind of hard, physical, running game - well the Americans played it a lot better than England did. England showed a lack of guts in Brazil and were bullied out of the Uruguay game, I seriously doubt the Uruguayans would have done the same to team US.
I thought Ghana were very unlucky and the Portuguese were steamrollered by the Germans after going down to 10 men but I seriously doubt England would have qualified from that group if they had replaced the Yanks.
It is a sad state of affairs but there will be no argument that the United States have overtook England in the international football arena in another 10 years. Give the yanks credit, they are motoring. |
Yeah, but the US team still doesn't have the fans. While the numbers are steadily growing, I think it would take a World Cup title to get the interest of the American people as a whole. These guys played hard, and I'm sad that the MLS will just get buried under the NFL, NBA, and MLB. Not that I don't enjoy those other sports, but soccer is played on an international stage. You'd think more Americans would be interested in that. We watch the hell out of the Olympics. Why not soccer? I'm sure there will be some comments about the military to follow. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
| robbie_davies wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
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| I would say that was a fair comment. The US team would have beaten England handily based on their respective performances. |
I dont think the US played so well that they could say they would beat England 'handily'.
The losses to Italy and Uruguay+ Suraez whilst disappointing doesn't mean England are crap. I think you could make the case that at Brazil 2014 Uruguay+ Suraez and Costa Rica were much better sides than Portugal or Ghana. |
I do, seeing as they basically play the same kind of hard, physical, running game - well the Americans played it a lot better than England did. England showed a lack of guts in Brazil and were bullied out of the Uruguay game, I seriously doubt the Uruguayans would have done the same to team US.
I thought Ghana were very unlucky and the Portuguese were steamrollered by the Germans after going down to 10 men but I seriously doubt England would have qualified from that group if they had replaced the Yanks.
It is a sad state of affairs but there will be no argument that the United States have overtook England in the international football arena in another 10 years. Give the yanks credit, they are motoring. |
Yeah, but the US team still doesn't have the fans. While the numbers are steadily growing, I think it would take a World Cup title to get the interest of the American people as a whole. These guys played hard, and I'm sad that the MLS will just get buried under the NFL, NBA, and MLB. Not that I don't enjoy those other sports, but soccer is played on an international stage. You'd think more Americans would be interested in that. We watch the hell out of the Olympics. Why not soccer? I'm sure there will be some comments about the military to follow. |
Soccer is getting more popular in the States. The US fans bought more tickets to this world cup than any other nation except for the home team Brazil. The MLS is in the US now has higher average attendance per game than hockey and NBA basketball. 9 out of the 19 teams average 20k fans a game or more and the team from Seattle draws more fans per game than the NY Yankees.
As more and more parents refuse to let their kids play American football some will find their way to soccer. As the Latino % of Americans increase, soccer will gain popularity. There are many exciting, talented young players in their late teens and early twenties coming up. So in ten years time the US will surely be the strongest English speaking side, if not one of the top teams in the world. And if soccer ever makes its way into the inner cities, watch out. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| It is a sad state of affairs but there will be no argument that the United States have overtook England in the international football arena in another 10 years. Give the yanks credit, they are motoring. |
I give the yanks credit for getting out of the group stage, but they they still only won one game against Ghana.
Also they were playing in South America. The US has never gotten out of the group stage at a World Cup in Europe.
If in 2018 the US get to the round of 16 and England yet again fail to get out of the group stage then you can say the US are better. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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Soccer is getting more popular in the States. The US fans bought more tickets to this world cup than any other nation except for the home team Brazil. The MLS is in the US now has higher average attendance per game than hockey and NBA basketball. 9 out of the 19 teams average 20k fans a game or more and the team from Seattle draws more fans per game than the NY Yankees.
As more and more parents refuse to let their kids play American football some will find their way to soccer. As the Latino % of Americans increase, soccer will gain popularity. There are many exciting, talented young players in their late teens and early twenties coming up. So in ten years time the US will surely be the strongest English speaking side, if not one of the top teams in the world. And if soccer ever makes its way into the inner cities, watch out. |
All that means is that there are a lot of people in the US and many of them have the disposable income to spend on tickets.
The amount of money that gets pumped into US soccer is substantial, so I wouldn't bet against the US becoming a great soccer nation. However, I think you need to add another 10 years to that estimate at least. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
| robbie_davies wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
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| I would say that was a fair comment. The US team would have beaten England handily based on their respective performances. |
I dont think the US played so well that they could say they would beat England 'handily'.
The losses to Italy and Uruguay+ Suraez whilst disappointing doesn't mean England are crap. I think you could make the case that at Brazil 2014 Uruguay+ Suraez and Costa Rica were much better sides than Portugal or Ghana. |
I do, seeing as they basically play the same kind of hard, physical, running game - well the Americans played it a lot better than England did. England showed a lack of guts in Brazil and were bullied out of the Uruguay game, I seriously doubt the Uruguayans would have done the same to team US.
I thought Ghana were very unlucky and the Portuguese were steamrollered by the Germans after going down to 10 men but I seriously doubt England would have qualified from that group if they had replaced the Yanks.
It is a sad state of affairs but there will be no argument that the United States have overtook England in the international football arena in another 10 years. Give the yanks credit, they are motoring. |
Yeah, but the US team still doesn't have the fans. While the numbers are steadily growing, I think it would take a World Cup title to get the interest of the American people as a whole. These guys played hard, and I'm sad that the MLS will just get buried under the NFL, NBA, and MLB. Not that I don't enjoy those other sports, but soccer is played on an international stage. You'd think more Americans would be interested in that. We watch the hell out of the Olympics. Why not soccer? I'm sure there will be some comments about the military to follow. |
I like your outlook on this, but there is always an alternative:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-06-25.html |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| It is a sad state of affairs but there will be no argument that the United States have overtook England in the international football arena in another 10 years. Give the yanks credit, they are motoring. |
I give the yanks credit for getting out of the group stage, but they they still only won one game against Ghana.
Also they were playing in South America. The US has never gotten out of the group stage at a World Cup in Europe.
If in 2018 the US get to the round of 16 and England yet again fail to get out of the group stage then you can say the US are better. |
Agreed, let's see how they do in Russia. |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| robbie_davies wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| robbie_davies wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
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| I would say that was a fair comment. The US team would have beaten England handily based on their respective performances. |
I dont think the US played so well that they could say they would beat England 'handily'.
The losses to Italy and Uruguay+ Suraez whilst disappointing doesn't mean England are crap. I think you could make the case that at Brazil 2014 Uruguay+ Suraez and Costa Rica were much better sides than Portugal or Ghana. |
I do, seeing as they basically play the same kind of hard, physical, running game - well the Americans played it a lot better than England did. England showed a lack of guts in Brazil and were bullied out of the Uruguay game, I seriously doubt the Uruguayans would have done the same to team US.
I thought Ghana were very unlucky and the Portuguese were steamrollered by the Germans after going down to 10 men but I seriously doubt England would have qualified from that group if they had replaced the Yanks.
It is a sad state of affairs but there will be no argument that the United States have overtook England in the international football arena in another 10 years. Give the yanks credit, they are motoring. |
Yeah, but the US team still doesn't have the fans. While the numbers are steadily growing, I think it would take a World Cup title to get the interest of the American people as a whole. These guys played hard, and I'm sad that the MLS will just get buried under the NFL, NBA, and MLB. Not that I don't enjoy those other sports, but soccer is played on an international stage. You'd think more Americans would be interested in that. We watch the hell out of the Olympics. Why not soccer? I'm sure there will be some comments about the military to follow. |
I like your outlook on this, but there is always an alternative:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-06-25.html |
How can anybody feel that strongly about soccer? The whole time I was waiting for her to write "gotcha!" but it never came. Surely that was satire, right? I'm speechless. |
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jvalmer
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Anyone who thinks soccer will become a major sport in the US is smoking something that I want to smoke. Just like in Canada, soccer is becoming popular for young people to get enrolled in. But that isn't going to translate into soccer become a major sport.
I believe it's been 10 years since soccer registration out numbered hockey registration in hockey. But in the end hockey wins out on popularity and the willingness for people to spend like $100 a seat on. I don't see that many people willing to spend $100 a seat to see a soccer game anywhere in the US, or Canada. Also, there really is nowhere in North America for an elite soccer player to go, except Europe. That takes away huge interest, why spend the money to see second-rate players when the there are the best athletes in 4 other sports (football, basketball, baseball, and hockey). |
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radcon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone who thinks soccer will become a major sport in the US is smoking something that I want to smoke. Just like in Canada, soccer is becoming popular for young people to get enrolled in. But that isn't going to translate into soccer become a major sport.
I believe it's been 10 years since soccer registration out numbered hockey registration in hockey. But in the end hockey wins out on popularity and the willingness for people to spend like $100 a seat on. I don't see that many people willing to spend $100 a seat to see a soccer game anywhere in the US, or Canada. Also, there really is nowhere in North America for an elite soccer player to go, except Europe. That takes away huge interest, why spend the money to see second-rate players when the there are the best athletes in 4 other sports (football, basketball, baseball, and hockey). |
You are right. Soccer won't be a top spectator sport in the US anytime soon. No expensive tickets and no big tv contracts. Yet that doesn't necessarily mean that he US won't field a world class national team and be a fixture in the FIFA top ten rankings. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Yet that doesn't necessarily mean that he US won't field a world class national team and be a fixture in the FIFA top ten rankings. |
Whoaaa.... let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. The US has a decent team, very good spoilers, a 'middle power', but world class is taking it a bit too far. I'd say that is at least a generation away (25+ years), if it even pans out. And again, the other major North American sports tend to draw away elite athletes when it's 'future-decision' making time. So there's that to consider before thinking the US may field a 'world class' national team.
They looked okay in the group stages, but a lot of the 'big' teams play lousy in the group stages. Against Germany, when it counted, they were out of their league. Making the round of 16 doesn't require much. But making it to the semi's on a regular basis like Brazil, or Germany, takes class. |
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Squire
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Location: Jeollanam-do
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Why doesn't China have a decent football team? What sort of sports do kids do there and why don't they try to get the World Cup? It seems strange to me that Japan and South Korea are constant fixtures at the WC but China can't get in on the action
... Just been reading up on the Asian WC qualifying
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%28AFC%29
Some of the scores are funny. Vietnam trashing Macau 6-0 and 7-1. Laos 6-2 Cambodia. Jordan 9-0 Nepal. Teams you never hear of in international football, like Scotland.
Turns out China beat Laos 7-1 and 6-2 to get through to the groups, and finished 3rd in their qualifying group behind powerhouses Iraq and Jordan, though at least doing better than Singapore in that group of death. Maybe next time China (population 1.35 billion)
India- beaten 5-2 on aggregate by the UAE. Maybe the Indian team had their passports confiscated before the match
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Anyway, back to the present day after that bizarre tangent. I'm really looking forward to these semi finals! In order of preference to win the tournament
Netherlands
Germany
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Brazil
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Yet that doesn't necessarily mean that he US won't field a world class national team and be a fixture in the FIFA top ten rankings. |
Whoaaa.... let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. The US has a decent team, very good spoilers, a 'middle power', but world class is taking it a bit too far. I'd say that is at least a generation away (25+ years), if it even pans out. And again, the other major North American sports tend to draw away elite athletes when it's 'future-decision' making time. So there's that to consider before thinking the US may field a 'world class' national team.
They looked okay in the group stages, but a lot of the 'big' teams play lousy in the group stages. Against Germany, when it counted, they were out of their league. Making the round of 16 doesn't require much. But making it to the semi's on a regular basis like Brazil, or Germany, takes class. |
Well, not sure. The US is big enough that it can support several major sports and still churn out loads of top athletes. One thing in soccer's favor is that you don't necessarily need great size to excel at it for certain positions. Plus, in these days of multi-sport stars and even football and basketball players being told to learn soccer to improve their footwork and agility, you are bound to get some run-off.
I could well see a time in the not-to-distant future where the US team is composed of players all participating in the EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga, etc.
After all, having top players go onto other leagues hasn't crippled Brazil. |
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Sector7G
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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How can anybody feel that strongly about soccer? The whole time I was waiting for her to write "gotcha!" but it never came. Surely that was satire, right? I'm speechless. |
Not sure if you are familiar with her, but she is pretty much a political troll, and she has made a fortune doing it. She's very good at getting a rise out of people. |
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Sector7G
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Don't forget, the last time England and the US met in the WC it ended in a draw - the "Hand of Clod" match.
Now as I said before, I would not go so far as to say the US is "better" than England. However, if you look at a snapshot of things that are measurable, the US is doing at least as well worldwide. Maybe that is more a testament to England's fall than to the rise of the US, and who can say what the future will bring, but for now......
Updated FIFA Rankings – Quarterfinals
http://bloguin.com/32flags/2014/updated-fifa-rankings-quarterfinals.html
The FIFA rankings won’t be officially updated until after the World Cup but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a little fun and figure out who currently is the best team in the world (according to FIFA).
A few notes:
- The four teams still alive in the World Cup are currently in positions 1, 2, 4 and 7.
- Netherlands and Costa Rica (11) gain the most spots out of any country while England (-10) loses the most spots out of any country.
Only the top 10 can change at this point. Positions 11-25 are set for the next official FIFA ranking.
1) Argentina – 1647 points currently – 1175 points before World Cup – 5th before WC
2) Germany – 1569 points currently – 1300 points before World Cup – 2nd before WC
3) Colombia – 1492 points currently – 1137 points before World Cup - 8th before WC
4) Netherlands – 1420 points currently – 981 points before World Cup – 15th before WC
5) Belgium – 1401 points currently – 1074 points before World Cup – 11th before WC
6) Uruguay – 1330 points currently – 1147 points before World Cup – 7th before WC
7) Brazil – 1291 points currently – 1242 points before World Cup – 3rd before WC
 Spain – 1229 points currently – 1485 points before World Cup – 1st before WC
9) Switzerland – 1216 points currently – 1149 points before World Cup – 6th before WC
10) France – 1202 points currently – 913 points before World Cup – 17th before WC
11) Portugal – 1148 points currently – 1189 points before World Cup – 4th before WC
12) Chile – 1090 points currently – 1026 points before World Cup – 14th before WC
13) Greece – 1085 points currently – 1064 points before World Cup – 12th before WC
14) Italy – 1056 points currently – 1104 points before World Cup – 9th before WC
15) United States – 989 points currently – 1035 points before World Cup – 13th before WC
16) Croatia – 955 points currently – 903 points before World Cup – 18th before WC
17) Costa Rica – 935 points currently – 762 points before World Cup – 28th before WC
1 Mexico – 930 points currently – 882 points before World Cup – 20th before WC
19) Bosnia and Herzegovina – 917 points currently – 873 points before World Cup – 21st before WC
20) England – 911 points currently – 1090 points before World Cup – 10th before WC |
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