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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| To avoid a required attendance at a make-up meeting or a fine, you must make sure that your fee is paid and your attendance form is turned in as you leave. |
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| Despite being a day off, most hogwan teachers seem to prefer Saturday. |
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| Some had traveled great distances, which brought up the why question and the response of attending a make up meeting because they missed the local one and had been required to come by their local education office rules. |
1) For one, why is there a fee for someone to attend this "training" session if it is put on by the government? If it is mandatory it should be free.
2) No NET prefers to go to a non-paid training session on a Saturday. ... Now, if it was like some hagwons there was always a tri-monthly meeting on Saturdays that the teachers had to go to, but that was the hagwon's meeting.
3) What government office would waste time and money on a 'make-up" meeting.
4) It may be mandatory for the boss to make you go because of the Hagwon Association, but I'm sure it isn't mandatory by immigration or the MOE. If you were fined that sucks for you, so I'm sure you were tricked by your former boss. |
1) Why do the Korean hogwan teachers, managers and owners have to pay for the Korean language "training" sessions? Why aren't driver's licenses free if they actually care about safety? Why did state governments in the US issue the first drivers licenses for a $5 fee and no test or anything, just your name and address and a mail in fee? Why do kids in Korea have to pay a fee to attend government run middle and high schools?
Government policy is all about collecting money.
2) Several years back one of these local meetings was scheduled for midweek and there was a flurry of complaints from teachers since they would have to attend a meeting from 9am to noon or 1:00 and then teach in the afternoon from 2 - 9 or 3 - 10 or whatever, typical hogwan hours. Plus other teachers would have had to travel long distances that would be very difficult during the week, so the meeting was quickly changed to the following Saturday. But everyone has their own preference. Do a survey.
3) Apparently you haven't read this thread. The various Education Offices that are in compliance with the law hold these meetings at various dates all year long from January through December - they are not all coming up on July 19. Each local office holds one meeting per year. (Teachers from small towns where there is no education office, or where no meetings are held, are required to go to another location in the same province.)
Since there are several meetings in any given calendar year given in the same province by different local education offices on different dates, if you miss the meeting that is close by, your local education office requires you to attend a regularly scheduled session at a later date at another location, which for you would be a make up session to avoid the fine. So, I met teachers attending my local meeting who were attending from a distant city to make up a meeting they had missed (their originally assigned meeting) in order to avoid being fined.
4) The meetings are required by law. They are given under the jurisdiction of the local and provincial education offices (not the MOE in Seoul).
(Again, I will assume that you have just failed to read the thread and you are not reading impaired.) So, I repeat:
My hogwan boss at the time didn't care personally that I hadn't attended. However, a letter came in my name from the education office that required me to attend a make up session, being held in another city the next month, which would have required several hours of travel for the round trip, or to pay a fine. Had I known about the original local meeting I would have gone. Since it was my wonjangnim who failed to tell me about the meeting, I declined to attend the makeup meeting and I didn't pay the fine. My boss accepted the blame and paid the fine to the education office. |
All the things you stated in point onr are unrelated to an orientation style training session. Getting a driver's license isn't mandatory. It is a privilege that you have to pay for.
Point 2) School is free in Korea and run by the government through middle school. Students are only required to attend and complete the 3rd year of middle school. High school is optional herr and that is why there is a fee.
3) There hasn't been a single person so far that has said they have been penalized for not going. I live in Gwangju and I have never had to attend a meeting here. No one on Korean Facebook groups have said that they have been forced to go.
In my opinion, I would rather have to work a full day on the weekday than have to give up a full day on the weekend. I can't speak for everyone on that though. |
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Sonata
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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My school told me about this recently and gave me a form to get signed.
They also gave me a thing in English saying it is mandatory.
It says it is the Hagwon association running it, but it says that it is done on behalf of the Education Office. The school is trying to say they will get fined if I don't go. The annoying thing is that I'll only have a week left of work after this. Is it really necessary to waste a Saturday when my contract is almost completed? Will they really get fined? Could they withhold my severance payment due to not going?
Should I just go and get the form signed and leave?
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Sonata wrote: |
My school told me about this recently and gave me a form to get signed.
They also gave me a thing in English saying it is mandatory.
It says it is the Hagwon association running it, but it says that it is done on behalf of the Education Office. The school is trying to say they will get fined if I don't go. The annoying thing is that I'll only have a week left of work after this.
1) Is it really necessary to waste a Saturday when my contract is almost completed?
2) Will they really get fined?
3) Could they withhold my severance payment due to not going?
4) Should I just go and get the form signed and leave?
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numbers added for clarity.
1) no.
2) no.
3) no.
4) it is up to you if you want to go and get the form signed.
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