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optik404
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| Seoul sucks, NYC sucks, Tokyo sucks, Cleveland forever. |
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Zyzyfer
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| Seoul sucks, NYC sucks, Tokyo sucks, Cleveland forever. |
Cleveland is ASS |
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optik404
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleveland is the reason. |
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Zyzyfer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| Cleveland is the reason... |
...there are Cleveland Steamers. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| LeBron sucks. I hope the curse continues. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:22 am Post subject: |
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I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
But like I said earlier, that is any city. Every neighborhood will not have 24 hour facilities. Can you imagine a whole city full of 24 hour places with no quiet neighborhoods in sight?
A lot of people in NYC have to take the subway/taxi to some of the more lively areas. Does that mean it's not an all night city? No. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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When I think of 24 hours, the first thing that comes to mind is Staten Island. Same with parts of Seoul. You can't cherry pick either way in the argument.
Also, there are parts of New York which may have a late night vibe, but I'm not sure I'd want to be there. |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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You really have to think about the sheer scale of NY though - Seoul is about the size of a single borough. To really get an idea of that 24hr life, in almost every city I've been too, the action is happening at the centre of the city, the hotspots, the variety, the accessibility (clubs, bars, gyms, public transport, food etc)
NYC = Manhattan (Time Sq and Meatpacking district)
London = Piccadilly Circus and Soho
Milan = Navigli district and Girabaldi
Paris = Champs-Élysées
These central hubs offer it all at all hours... Seoul does not, instead we have a few select locations spread out across the city.
Seoul has Itaewon as the city hub for tourists and the most variety and access. After midnight... want to watch a movie? Trek to Yongsan (might be 2 movies showing - one Korean, one Hollywood). Shopping? Nope. Authentic non Korean food? Ha! Diners/cafés? Nope. Bowling/pool hall? Nope. Are there even any decent Karaoke rooms around? Want to sit outside and chill? Good luck. Casino? Gym? Don't know of any.
All of these thins you can find at late hours in other cities... and the people tend to be in a different state of mind e.g people will actually be out just to chill, watch a movie while others will shop before they head to the airport, others stumble out of clubs. Just being surrounded by a variety of activity. In Itaewon, most ppl aren't out past 2am unless they're partying. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| 24 hour gym? That's gotta be pretty rare here. Most I know of have less than ideal hours. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| There's one 24 hour gym where I live in Seoul. It's nasty though. Has all the stuff for lifters, but cramped, old, no ventilation, no ac. Cheap as hell though. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| You really have to think about the sheer scale of NY though - Seoul is about the size of a single borough. |
Here's a rough comparison of the two:
http://mapfrappe.com/?show=20529
or Seoul proper if one prefers, but since this is a thread about city life in general it probably doesn't make sense to stay within strict municipal borders.
http://mapfrappe.com/?show=20530 |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| 3DR wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
But like I said earlier, that is any city. Every neighborhood will not have 24 hour facilities. Can you imagine a whole city full of 24 hour places with no quiet neighborhoods in sight?
A lot of people in NYC have to take the subway/taxi to some of the more lively areas. Does that mean it's not an all night city? No. |
Agreed, although that's a 24-hour subway they're taking.
24-hour gyms aren't much of measuring stick IMO-cities all over the U.S. have them. Members just use a pass card for access. |
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Stu_miller
Joined: 23 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| cam83 wrote: |
You really have to think about the sheer scale of NY though - Seoul is about the size of a single borough. To really get an idea of that 24hr life, in almost every city I've been too, the action is happening at the centre of the city, the hotspots, the variety, the accessibility (clubs, bars, gyms, public transport, food etc)
NYC = Manhattan (Time Sq and Meatpacking district)
London = Piccadilly Circus and Soho
Milan = Navigli district and Girabaldi
Paris = Champs-Élysées
These central hubs offer it all at all hours... Seoul does not, instead we have a few select locations spread out across the city.
Seoul has Itaewon as the city hub for tourists and the most variety and access. After midnight... want to watch a movie? Trek to Yongsan (might be 2 movies showing - one Korean, one Hollywood). Shopping? Nope. Authentic non Korean food? Ha! Diners/cafés? Nope. Bowling/pool hall? Nope. Are there even any decent Karaoke rooms around? Want to sit outside and chill? Good luck. Casino? Gym? Don't know of any.
All of these thins you can find at late hours in other cities... and the people tend to be in a different state of mind e.g people will actually be out just to chill, watch a movie while others will shop before they head to the airport, others stumble out of clubs. Just being surrounded by a variety of activity. In Itaewon, most ppl aren't out past 2am unless they're partying. |
I can't speak for the other cities but don't exaggerate London's position as a 24 hour city. There's a big difference between saying some of these things can be found somewhere in the city, and implying like it's a 24-hour hub. In 24-hour terms, London has no shopping worth mentioning that I know of, few decent eateries, and other than some late night clubs, there really isn't much of a 24-hour culture there at all. New York absolutely slays London when it comes to 24-hourness (sic) |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
| You really have to think about the sheer scale of NY though - Seoul is about the size of a single borough. |
Here's a rough comparison of the two:
http://mapfrappe.com/?show=20529
or Seoul proper if one prefers, but since this is a thread about city life in general it probably doesn't make sense to stay within strict municipal borders.
http://mapfrappe.com/?show=20530 |
Cheers for the intel, just goes to show how big Seoul really is if you include the surrounding areas (Incheon etc). Clearly it's a similar size city (sorry for the lie/exaggeration :p) which for me, makes it even more bizzare as to why they don't have a 24hr central hub. |
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