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Mr. BlackCat
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| A breakfast place is just opening up at 830am! |
If you're looking for a western breakfast place, it'll be hard to find one. |
I am aware of that. My point was PB was is the only place in my hood open at 830am, foreign or Korean. |
Really? No kimbap joint or 24 hour kamjatang place? |
Not for a 15-20 minute walk (at least) in any direction. And I'm at a busy-ish intersection in central-ish Seoul. It's not that there's nothing around, it's just that there's nothing open. |
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Smithington
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| Each year cities are ranked in the "most livable" cities in the world. Now of course there is a good deal of subjectivity involved, but Seoul doesn't even get a mention. It's not as if it's ranked 34th when someone might argue it should be 28th or 31st. It just doesn't rank. Hardly a world class city. |
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metalhead
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| Smithington wrote: |
| Each year cities are ranked in the "most livable" cities in the world. Now of course there is a good deal of subjectivity involved, but Seoul doesn't even get a mention. It's not as if it's ranked 34th when someone might argue it should be 28th or 31st. It just doesn't rank. Hardly a world class city. |
Well yeah, when it comes to things like human rights, equality and vacation time Korea is still in the Stone Age. It's definitely very diverse in all areas though, for a measly 10 000 won or so you can buy crappy Australian salami at Emart. Miles ahead of NYC and London right there. |
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wishfullthinkng
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I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
what a ridiculous statement. bbq IS korean food. maybe it didn't originate in korea since grilling meat over fire is pretty much something that has been happening everywhere since the beginning of time, but these bbq restaraunts are here in korea and very popular with koreans. to say otherwise is utterly daft.
and no, i'm not making generalizations because i live in seocho. as i said, the 24 hour gyms normally close on saturday nite around 8 and same on sundays, but M-F, they ARE 24 hours. just because you haven't found one doesn't mean they don't exist, and in large numbers. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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| cam83 wrote: |
I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
what a ridiculous statement. bbq IS korean food. maybe it didn't originate in korea since grilling meat over fire is pretty much something that has been happening everywhere since the beginning of time, but these bbq restaraunts are here in korea and very popular with koreans. to say otherwise is utterly daft.
and no, i'm not making generalizations because i live in seocho. as i said, the 24 hour gyms normally close on saturday nite around 8 and same on sundays, but M-F, they ARE 24 hours. just because you haven't found one doesn't mean they don't exist, and in large numbers. |
Just because meat is grilled over a fired doesn't make it BBQ. E.g. steakis grilled--it's not BBQ.
"In large numbers" That's a mighty bold statement. Care to support it? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
what a ridiculous statement. bbq IS korean food. maybe it didn't originate in korea since grilling meat over fire is pretty much something that has been happening everywhere since the beginning of time, but these bbq restaraunts are here in korea and very popular with koreans. to say otherwise is utterly daft.
and no, i'm not making generalizations because i live in seocho. as i said, the 24 hour gyms normally close on saturday nite around 8 and same on sundays, but M-F, they ARE 24 hours. just because you haven't found one doesn't mean they don't exist, and in large numbers. |
Just because meat is grilled over a fired doesn't make it BBQ. E.g. steakis grilled--it's not BBQ.
"In large numbers" That's a mighty bold statement. Care to support it? |
I have to agree with atwood here (what the heck?) BBQ is different ftom barbecue. BBQ is marinated and seasoned, sometimes slow cooked, and often resauced afterwards.
Barbecue is cooking meat over a flame. Its like saying a braai is BBQ. A braai is barbecue, and awesome barbecue, but it is not BBQ. BBQ is a distintcly American thing originating from the South- primarily Texas and Memphis. Missouri too.
And to BlackCat- damn that sux. At least in the podunk town I used to teach at there was a kimbap place that was 24-7 and a few other joints. But I can sorta see in Seoul places not bothering because everyone is too busy commuting. Maybe its more of a dmall town thing. |
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3DR
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Stop the presses. Hell has frozen over. Pigs are flying. And Clear is now a color.
Steelrails and atwood have agreed on something? |
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Steelrails
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| 3DR wrote: |
Stop the presses. Hell has frozen over. Pigs are flying. And Clear is now a color.
Steelrails and atwood have agreed on something? |
There's hope for Gaza yet. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
what a ridiculous statement. bbq IS korean food. maybe it didn't originate in korea since grilling meat over fire is pretty much something that has been happening everywhere since the beginning of time, but these bbq restaraunts are here in korea and very popular with koreans. to say otherwise is utterly daft.
and no, i'm not making generalizations because i live in seocho. as i said, the 24 hour gyms normally close on saturday nite around 8 and same on sundays, but M-F, they ARE 24 hours. just because you haven't found one doesn't mean they don't exist, and in large numbers. |
Just because meat is grilled over a fired doesn't make it BBQ. E.g. steakis grilled--it's not BBQ.
"In large numbers" That's a mighty bold statement. Care to support it? |
I have to agree with atwood here (what the heck?) BBQ is different ftom barbecue. BBQ is marinated and seasoned, sometimes slow cooked, and often resauced afterwards.
Barbecue is cooking meat over a flame. Its like saying a braai is BBQ. A braai is barbecue, and awesome barbecue, but it is not BBQ. BBQ is a distintcly American thing originating from the South- primarily Texas and Memphis. Missouri too.
And to BlackCat- damn that sux. At least in the podunk town I used to teach at there was a kimbap place that was 24-7 and a few other joints. But I can sorta see in Seoul places not bothering because everyone is too busy commuting. Maybe its more of a dmall town thing. |
unfortunately you are wrong 100% steelrails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbecue
https://shine.yahoo.com/southern-food/bbq-v-grilling-whats-the-difference-2495209.html
bbq (aka, barbeque) and grilling have nothing to do with sauces first of all. one of the biggest misnomers about bbq'ing. second of all, bbqing has nothing to do with cooking over a flame as atwood pointed out which is actually referred to as "grilling". bbq is obviously a shortened version of the name "barbeque" which is slow cooking meat that is typically not in contact with a direct flame and to quote wikipedia on the origins of the name (and most likely the practice itself although people around the world have been grilling meat over metal and wood for ages):
"Most etymologists believe that barbecue derives from the word barabicu found in the language of the Taíno people of the Caribbean and the Timucua of Florida, and entered European languages in the form barbacoa. The word translates as "sacred fire pit".[1] The word describes a grill for cooking meat, consisting of a wooden platform resting on sticks."
it is NOT distinctly american, nor did it originate in the "america" that you are referring to (modern southern america), so i have no idea where you got that idea from. the origins of bbq seem to be from the carribbeans and florida (before it was florida, and to call florida indians americans is ridiculous). and i have to ask, have you ever even had a proper braai in south africa? because i have, and it's pretty much in form exactly like "barbecuing" anywhere else. grilling meat on a grill over fire.
and atwood, i'm not going to do your homework for you. feel free to hunt down the 24 hour gyms yourself. as i said, i have 3 within a 2 block radius of me. however, i do concede that most korean places are not true bbq as they do not slow-cook their meats but instead cook them grilling style. "bbq" just has so much of a better ring to it than "grilling restaraunt" sadly, but as i originally stated, these "grilling restaraunts" are still very much korean fare.
now back to the original topic. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
what a ridiculous statement. bbq IS korean food. maybe it didn't originate in korea since grilling meat over fire is pretty much something that has been happening everywhere since the beginning of time, but these bbq restaraunts are here in korea and very popular with koreans. to say otherwise is utterly daft.
and no, i'm not making generalizations because i live in seocho. as i said, the 24 hour gyms normally close on saturday nite around 8 and same on sundays, but M-F, they ARE 24 hours. just because you haven't found one doesn't mean they don't exist, and in large numbers. |
Just because meat is grilled over a fired doesn't make it BBQ. E.g. steakis grilled--it's not BBQ.
"In large numbers" That's a mighty bold statement. Care to support it? |
I have to agree with atwood here (what the heck?) BBQ is different ftom barbecue. BBQ is marinated and seasoned, sometimes slow cooked, and often resauced afterwards.
Barbecue is cooking meat over a flame. Its like saying a braai is BBQ. A braai is barbecue, and awesome barbecue, but it is not BBQ. BBQ is a distintcly American thing originating from the South- primarily Texas and Memphis. Missouri too.
And to BlackCat- damn that sux. At least in the podunk town I used to teach at there was a kimbap place that was 24-7 and a few other joints. But I can sorta see in Seoul places not bothering because everyone is too busy commuting. Maybe its more of a dmall town thing. |
unfortunately you are wrong 100% steelrails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbecue
https://shine.yahoo.com/southern-food/bbq-v-grilling-whats-the-difference-2495209.html
bbq (aka, barbeque) and grilling have nothing to do with sauces first of all. one of the biggest misnomers about bbq'ing. second of all, bbqing has nothing to do with cooking over a flame as atwood pointed out which is actually referred to as "grilling". bbq is obviously a shortened version of the name "barbeque" which is slow cooking meat that is typically not in contact with a direct flame and to quote wikipedia on the origins of the name (and most likely the practice itself although people around the world have been grilling meat over metal and wood for ages):
"Most etymologists believe that barbecue derives from the word barabicu found in the language of the Taíno people of the Caribbean and the Timucua of Florida, and entered European languages in the form barbacoa. The word translates as "sacred fire pit".[1] The word describes a grill for cooking meat, consisting of a wooden platform resting on sticks."
it is NOT distinctly american, nor did it originate in the "america" that you are referring to (modern southern america), so i have no idea where you got that idea from. the origins of bbq seem to be from the carribbeans and florida (before it was florida, and to call florida indians americans is ridiculous). and i have to ask, have you ever even had a proper braai in south africa? because i have, and it's pretty much in form exactly like "barbecuing" anywhere else. grilling meat on a grill over fire.
and atwood, i'm not going to do your homework for you. feel free to hunt down the 24 hour gyms yourself. as i said, i have 3 within a 2 block radius of me. however, i do concede that most korean places are not true bbq as they do not slow-cook their meats but instead cook them grilling style. "bbq" just has so much of a better ring to it than "grilling restaraunt" sadly, but as i originally stated, these "grilling restaraunts" are still very much korean fare.
now back to the original topic. |
We are referring to BBQ vs. barbecue. For example, although Lo Mein and spaghetti both have noodles and sauce, only one is pasta. A sandwich and a sub both have meat and whatnot between bread, but they are not the same. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square.
Same with BBQ vs. barbecue. |
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atwood
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| cam83 wrote: |
I guess we just had very different experiences... I was mostly on Upper East Side, though I moved to Astoria, Queens for a bit and spent a few months downtown on Water St/Fulton station.
Yeah when I came to Seoul I tried one of those help lines to find a store location... useless. Next time you take a taxi, try it out... it may have improved since I last used it.
What gyms are open at 2am? Are you talking about Itae/Hongdae? I know the majority I have come across close by midnight.
CGV... again u gotta go half way across the city for that (i guess it depends where u live).
Food, I could get authentic Indian/Mexican/Chinese no problem.... here you can't (though maybe you know of a few places?).
Overall yeah, I guess you can argue Seoul does have the certain things that are open 24hrs... but accessibility and the people are what give a city '24hr' status imo. Sun - Thu is pretty much a ghost city after midnight.
I do see your logic in calling Seoul a more 24hr city but in real terms as a tourist or living here... no contest for me. |
i actually haven't used any of the hotlines personally although ironically enough i've collected quite a few of their numbers.
no, unfortunately i don't know any good non-korean food at the killing hours. but it's no sweat for me since i love bbq and will just get bbq if it's past the time sane people are awake.
there are actually 3 gyms within a 2 block radius of me that are open 24 hours (limited hours on sunday and saturday evening). i don't know about the gym situation in itae/hong however. i live over in seocho-gu.
i don't really compare nyc and seoul in terms of a contest. i love both of them. one of the reasons i love seoul is indeed for the fact of it's convenience, for things like how i can go to my gym that's within walking distance at 3am if i like, and i love nyc for a whole huge load of other reasons, but convenience and 24-hourness is definitely not on the top of that list. |
BBQ is not Korean food.
You're making a generalization about Seoul based on living in Seocho-gu. There are no 24-hour gyms within walking distance in the part of Seoul I live in. There are no 24-hour gyms period. |
what a ridiculous statement. bbq IS korean food. maybe it didn't originate in korea since grilling meat over fire is pretty much something that has been happening everywhere since the beginning of time, but these bbq restaraunts are here in korea and very popular with koreans. to say otherwise is utterly daft.
and no, i'm not making generalizations because i live in seocho. as i said, the 24 hour gyms normally close on saturday nite around 8 and same on sundays, but M-F, they ARE 24 hours. just because you haven't found one doesn't mean they don't exist, and in large numbers. |
Just because meat is grilled over a fired doesn't make it BBQ. E.g. steakis grilled--it's not BBQ.
"In large numbers" That's a mighty bold statement. Care to support it? |
I have to agree with atwood here (what the heck?) BBQ is different ftom barbecue. BBQ is marinated and seasoned, sometimes slow cooked, and often resauced afterwards.
Barbecue is cooking meat over a flame. Its like saying a braai is BBQ. A braai is barbecue, and awesome barbecue, but it is not BBQ. BBQ is a distintcly American thing originating from the South- primarily Texas and Memphis. Missouri too.
And to BlackCat- damn that sux. At least in the podunk town I used to teach at there was a kimbap place that was 24-7 and a few other joints. But I can sorta see in Seoul places not bothering because everyone is too busy commuting. Maybe its more of a dmall town thing. |
unfortunately you are wrong 100% steelrails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbecue
https://shine.yahoo.com/southern-food/bbq-v-grilling-whats-the-difference-2495209.html
bbq (aka, barbeque) and grilling have nothing to do with sauces first of all. one of the biggest misnomers about bbq'ing. second of all, bbqing has nothing to do with cooking over a flame as atwood pointed out which is actually referred to as "grilling". bbq is obviously a shortened version of the name "barbeque" which is slow cooking meat that is typically not in contact with a direct flame and to quote wikipedia on the origins of the name (and most likely the practice itself although people around the world have been grilling meat over metal and wood for ages):
"Most etymologists believe that barbecue derives from the word barabicu found in the language of the Taíno people of the Caribbean and the Timucua of Florida, and entered European languages in the form barbacoa. The word translates as "sacred fire pit".[1] The word describes a grill for cooking meat, consisting of a wooden platform resting on sticks."
it is NOT distinctly american, nor did it originate in the "america" that you are referring to (modern southern america), so i have no idea where you got that idea from. the origins of bbq seem to be from the carribbeans and florida (before it was florida, and to call florida indians americans is ridiculous). and i have to ask, have you ever even had a proper braai in south africa? because i have, and it's pretty much in form exactly like "barbecuing" anywhere else. grilling meat on a grill over fire.
and atwood, i'm not going to do your homework for you. feel free to hunt down the 24 hour gyms yourself. as i said, i have 3 within a 2 block radius of me. however, i do concede that most korean places are not true bbq as they do not slow-cook their meats but instead cook them grilling style. "bbq" just has so much of a better ring to it than "grilling restaraunt" sadly, but as i originally stated, these "grilling restaraunts" are still very much korean fare.
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Florida is in the U.S.
That sure was a long post to say, first, that you were wrong about BBQ and second, that you can't support your claim that Seoul is chockful of 24-hour gyms.  |
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atwood
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Just in case anyone hasn't mentioned it room salons and massage parlors are one aspect of Seoul's 24-hour culture.
But in NYC you can get weed delivered right to your door or take a walk through your local park and pick up your party favors there. |
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wishfullthinkng
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| atwood wrote: |
| That sure was a long post to say, first, that you were wrong about BBQ and second, that you can't support your claim that Seoul is chockful of 24-hour gyms. |
no, i was technically wrong about the terminology of bbq since you want to squabble about it, not wrong about the concept of "grilling restaraunts" (since you want to pick at semantics even though that's what everyone calls them here) being popular in korea. and if you are too lazy to find 24 hour gyms that's no sweat off my back. keep up the good fight but remember ignorance is not bliss.
and steel, sorry man, but you are just flat out wrong. re-read what you typed carefully and face the music. i could cite more articles on the internet that would agree but i'm not going to beat a dead horse. |
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atwood
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| That sure was a long post to say, first, that you were wrong about BBQ and second, that you can't support your claim that Seoul is chockful of 24-hour gyms. |
no, i was technically wrong about the terminology of bbq since you want to squabble about it, not wrong about the concept of "grilling restaraunts" (since you want to pick at semantics even though that's what everyone calls them here) being popular in korea. and if you are too lazy to find 24 hour gyms that's no sweat off my back. keep up the good fight but remember ignorance is not bliss.
and steel, sorry man, but you are just flat out wrong. re-read what you typed carefully and face the music. i could cite more articles on the internet that would agree but i'm not going to beat a dead horse. |
You wrote:
Why keep posting about being wrong?
Don't project your laziness on me. I wasn't the one who claimed Seoul was full to the brim with 24-hour gyms--you were. So back it up, if you can. |
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johnny_russian
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| Smithington wrote: |
| Each year cities are ranked in the "most livable" cities in the world. Now of course there is a good deal of subjectivity involved, but Seoul doesn't even get a mention. It's not as if it's ranked 34th when someone might argue it should be 28th or 31st. It just doesn't rank. Hardly a world class city. |
yup, that's right. it doesn't even break the top 10 on any one of 3 different livability indexes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_most_livable_cities
and according to the Mercer Quality of Living Survey, the top cities to live in Asia are 1) Singapore 2) Tokyo 3) Yokohama 4) Kobe and 5) Osaka. |
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