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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| If the guy was just standing there I don't see why you think you acted "beta." Beating up someone who is clearly no threat is pretty barbaric. |
No. This guy deserved a moderate A-whoopin at the very least if for no other reason to teach him a lesson. Next time he might not get off so easy. |
Yeah, he'd get a great lesson in how to extort blood money. |
Surely you can use force on someone who breaks into your hotel/house? Right? |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| r2b2ct wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| r2b2ct wrote: |
| If the guy was just standing there I don't see why you think you acted "beta." Beating up someone who is clearly no threat is pretty barbaric. |
No. This guy deserved a moderate A-whoopin at the very least if for no other reason to teach him a lesson. Next time he might not get off so easy. |
Yeah, he'd get a great lesson in how to extort blood money. |
Surely you can use force on someone who breaks into your hotel/house? Right? |
I would assume reasonable force would be okay. But to get the Korean police to take your side its often neccesary to lawyer up which isnt cheap. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Deserves a beating for just standing there, and no mention of anything broken? Was the door jammed open? Or windows broken?
Holy, you guys are scary.
Come on guys... he was just staring (or standing), not on top of your wife. Obviously it was easy to get in, since nothing was jammed open. Probably a drunk guy who went into the wrong room. If he wasn't making any threatening movements, just restrain the guy and throw him out. Not beat him up. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Crazy situation. What would you have done? |
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I grab the guy by his collar and throw him into a corner and hold him there.
I could have beat the crap out of the guy and it would have been completely justified (even my wife agreed on that one). We could have called the police and bad him arrested. But, in the end I opened the door and tossed him out to his pals outside.
A few minutes later there is a knock on the door. The guy came back to say "I am so sorry" one more time.
Now its a day later and to use some eslcafe terminology, I feel like I acted totally "beta". |
You did ok as I see it.
You removed the threat and then later you were gracious enough to recognize when the guy was genuinely apologetic.
Koreans are often in eachothers business when sober, but after a few drinks personal space totally ceases to exist.
Drunk people tend to look for company. They will knock on other peoples doors or even just walk into their rooms. Its a bit like Saturday night at the university halls of residence. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:50 am Post subject: |
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When people say 'breathing heavily' in this sort of context is that often code for masturbating? Otherwise I don't see what's bad about breathing heavily, or why somebody would be in the first place
OP you handled the situation well. I've always wondered- in that situation do you wake up instantly or are you still a bit groggy? |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Deserves a beating for just standing there, and no mention of anything broken? Was the door jammed open? Or windows broken?
Holy, you guys are scary.
Come on guys... he was just staring (or standing), not on top of your wife. Obviously it was easy to get in, since nothing was jammed open. Probably a drunk guy who went into the wrong room. If he wasn't making any threatening movements, just restrain the guy and throw him out. Not beat him up. |
Well, the only door was locked. There was 1 small window in the room that he clearly had squeezed through. It wasnt locked or anything but it looked to small for s person to get in, evidently it was big enough for him. I wouldnt say it was easy to get in though. Even if the door was wide open its still really strange.
Im not trying to act like I regret not beating the crap out of him and/or getting the cops involved. But a part of me feels like I was a little TOO gentle. Nothing happened to "teach him a lesson". Can you imagine the reaction of a foreigner did something like this to a Korean couple?
Like others have said, no harm done. Im glad he didnt do anything dangerous. And he is lucky I wasnt in the mood to make a big deal out of this. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:15 am Post subject: |
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O.P., You did well~
That type of beach-side accommodation is very common and normally
enjoyable. I prefer those type above the over-priced hotels with limited
TV/satellite reception (that's important!). But as an experienced young
soldier that drank too much, benefit of the doubt. Does that excuse it?
Absolutely not. Kick'em in the arse and get his cohorts to exhibit their
own rules of conduct and punishment.
My own experience in minbaks has been pleasant when I am invited to
play a round of 'go-stop' in the evening and help give my Hyosung Mirage a running start
to help me on my road trip the next morning.
All in all, trust YOUR instinct and do what you must to protect your own. In
this case, your instinct prevailed and no honor lost on anyone. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Deserves a beating for just standing there, and no mention of anything broken? Was the door jammed open? Or windows broken?
Holy, you guys are scary.
Come on guys... he was just staring (or standing), not on top of your wife. Obviously it was easy to get in, since nothing was jammed open. Probably a drunk guy who went into the wrong room. If he wasn't making any threatening movements, just restrain the guy and throw him out. Not beat him up. |
Well, the only door was locked. There was 1 small window in the room that he clearly had squeezed through. It wasnt locked or anything but it looked to small for s person to get in, evidently it was big enough for him. I wouldnt say it was easy to get in though. Even if the door was wide open its still really strange.
Im not trying to act like I regret not beating the crap out of him and/or getting the cops involved. But a part of me feels like I was a little TOO gentle. Nothing happened to "teach him a lesson". Can you imagine the reaction of a foreigner did something like this to a Korean couple?
Like others have said, no harm done. Im glad he didnt do anything dangerous. And he is lucky I wasnt in the mood to make a big deal out of this. |
If he was super drunk even a beating wouldn't have "taught him a lesson." If I drink too much sometimes I sing silly songs at a noribang and then eat Mcdonalds breakfast at 4 AM and wake up with a massive hangover....you'd think I'd have learned my lesson by now but no. Sure if you gave him a beating he'd feel bad about it for a week or so but eventually he'd drink and maybe do something silly.
It doesn't sound like he was out to cause harm....and you said he seemed military so I'm assuming he's a young guy......he had too many and made a mistake... |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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It doesn't sound like he was out to cause harm....and you said he seemed military so I'm assuming he's a young guy......he had too many and made a mistake... |
When I think back to the crazy stuff that I and my friends did back at University aged 19- often under the influence of alcohol or drugs... it makes this incident seem tame. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Always, always, stay in classy places in Korea and avoid this $ hit. Too bad, you couldn't have clocked him and then got your stuff and got out of there quickly. If there's an opportunity to knock some idiot down and then get out of there without any witnesses, then he could have gotten what's coming to him. But, yeah, the laws here are messed up that way. You're not even allowed to defend yourself, especially if you're a foriegner.
If you're able to leave Korea, then knock away, pay the fine, get the assult charge, and leave when your next contract comes up. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| r2b2ct wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| r2b2ct wrote: |
| If the guy was just standing there I don't see why you think you acted "beta." Beating up someone who is clearly no threat is pretty barbaric. |
No. This guy deserved a moderate A-whoopin at the very least if for no other reason to teach him a lesson. Next time he might not get off so easy. |
Yeah, he'd get a great lesson in how to extort blood money. |
Surely you can use force on someone who breaks into your hotel/house? Right? |
Not in this country.
In America, you can put a bullet in his @$$. In Canada, they'll actually try to charge you, but a jury won't convict. (My dumb@$$ country at times. But, not as bad as Korea, I guess.) |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| r2b2ct wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| r2b2ct wrote: |
| If the guy was just standing there I don't see why you think you acted "beta." Beating up someone who is clearly no threat is pretty barbaric. |
No. This guy deserved a moderate A-whoopin at the very least if for no other reason to teach him a lesson. Next time he might not get off so easy. |
Yeah, he'd get a great lesson in how to extort blood money. |
Surely you can use force on someone who breaks into your hotel/house? Right? |
Not in this country.
In America, you can put a bullet in his @$$. In Canada, they'll actually try to charge you, but a jury won't convict. (My dumb@$$ country at times. But, not as bad as Korea, I guess.) |
I believe in Canada the key term is 'reasonable force'. So, if you feel your life is in imminent danger then deadly force can be acceptable.
In this case, with some unarmed guy 'breathing', the OP did the right thing. Maybe a couple of slaps, and a shove might have been warranted.
If the guy had a knife, you might be able to shoot him in the leg. However, if the guy has a gun pointed at you, then shoot away, if you also have a gun. But you might get charged for unlawful ownership of a unregistered gun, that's when you tell your lawyer that you want a jury... |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| r2b2ct wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
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| If the guy was just standing there I don't see why you think you acted "beta." Beating up someone who is clearly no threat is pretty barbaric. |
No. This guy deserved a moderate A-whoopin at the very least if for no other reason to teach him a lesson. Next time he might not get off so easy. |
Yeah, he'd get a great lesson in how to extort blood money. |
Surely you can use force on someone who breaks into your hotel/house? Right? |
Not in this country.
In America, you can put a bullet in his @$$. In Canada, they'll actually try to charge you, but a jury won't convict. (My dumb@$$ country at times. But, not as bad as Korea, I guess.) |
You can shoot an intruder in the States, but that doesn't mean the cops won't arrest you. It's not a god damn free for all in the US. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Crazy situation. What would you have done? |
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Last night my wife and I went to one of the beaches in Incheon. We got a room at a 민박 where we have stayed before. The room was ground level and one room over was a group of young korean men in their early twenties who I believe were soldiers taking a weekend off. We drank a little and ended up going to sleep earliesh. The boys next door drank way to much of course.
At around 4 am there is a blood curddleing scream from my wife. I wake up and there is a man standing in our room just watching us sleep. She woke up and he was just there! Obviously this scares the hell out of us. I jump up and turn on the light and recognize him as one of the young men from next door. He had climbed in our rooms tiny window for some reason.
Im obviously pissed and I grab the guy by his collar and throw him into a corner and hold him there. He kept saying "I am sorry" over and over in English. His friends are still outside drinking and they hear the noise and gather outside of our room probably wondering wtf was going on.
I was holding him in the corner with my forearm across his throat while she checked to make sure nothing was missing. I could have beat the crap out of the guy and it would have been completely justified (even my wife agreed on that one). We could have called the police and bad him arrested. But, in the end I opened the door and tossed him out to his pals outside.
A few minutes later there is a knock on the door. The guy came back to say "I am so sorry" one more time.
Now its a day later and to use some eslcafe terminology, I feel like I acted totally "beta". So what would you have done? Keep in mind how startling it is to wake up and there be a stranger literally looming over your bed. |
If he was standing, watching you sleep, it seems likely that he wasn't there to steal from you. It also seems likely that things would have been different had he found a woman alone, or two women in the room. It may be that despite being cautious due to the presence of a man, he was doing more than looking, causing your wife to wake up first in terror with the screams that woke you subsequently.
The outcome was not so bad for him this time, so he may be bolder and go further on his next attempt. More significant intervention in the present may have prevented a more serious crime in the future and spared his next victim, who may not be as lucky as your wife was this time: after subduing him, you should have called the police. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Crazy situation. What would you have done? |
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If he was standing, watching you sleep, it seems likely that he wasn't there to steal from you. It also seems likely that things would have been different had he found a woman alone, or two women in the room. It may be that despite being cautious due to the presence of a man, he was doing more than looking, causing your wife to wake up first in terror with the screams that woke you subsequently.
The outcome was not so bad for him this time, so he may be bolder and go further on his next attempt. More significant intervention in the present may have prevented a more serious crime in the future and spared his next victim, who may not be as lucky as your wife was this time: after subduing him, you should have called the police. |
I do agree with ontheway on this, but only after deliberating on it for a while. But remember, the question was, "What would you have done?", and I think it is hard to say, unless one was actually in the same situation. So I don't fault the greatunknown a bit nor do I think he should second guess himself. The main thing is that he subdued the guy and protected his wife. Props to him for that!
As for the guy who climbed through the window, I don't know, my first instinct was to side with those suggesting he was just an inexperienced drinker and probably harmless. But you know what, alcohol may make a person lose his or her inhibitions, but it does not make a non-creepy person suddenly do creepy things, and climbing through a window and standing there watching a couple sleep is downright creepy.
The only caveat I would add to what I just said is that, yes, drunk people do sometimes go into the wrong rooms. But still, probably better to let the cops decide if it was innocent or not. |
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