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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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 Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Foreign coach to lead Korean soccer team |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| If I had power the first thing i'd do is clean up the corruption and expel any teachers found guilty of sexually abusing students. |
Wow, that's major change... That might get rid of maybe 5 teachers nationwide in any given year. Seriously, in today's age with lightning fast news, how many do you hear about? Like a few every year. And that's in any country. Teachers sexually abusing teachers is pretty rare when you consider how many teachers there are.
As for the corruption, you just need to make an example of a few, and the rest will fall in line. With the audits the Education Boards do with schools every few years, it's hard to 'play' with money. Seen it once, literally guys in black suits come into the school's admin office and go through every single piece of paperwork. |
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mandrews1985
Joined: 12 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:26 am Post subject: |
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No, it will be AVB. |
I can't see it, I know his track record as a manager regarding longevity is questionable but he's only been at Zenit since April. I suspect he'll be sticking around in Russia for a little while longer.
As for Hoddle, good manager but I reckon he's enjoying Sky money alot more nowadays. There was talk of Neil Lennon, but that would be a nightmare! |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Foreign coach to lead Korean soccer team |
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Does this just prove what I have always suspected?
If Americans want to clean up their act and achieve significant results, they just need to put a non-American in charge.
Americans themselves seem unable to overcome pervasive corruption, embezzlement, breach of trust, nepotism, prostitution, suicide, and neo-confucianism.
Foreign coach to lead national football team
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sports/2014/08/600_162057.html |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
No, it will be AVB. |
I can't see it, I know his track record as a manager regarding longevity is questionable but he's only been at Zenit since April. I suspect he'll be sticking around in Russia for a little while longer.
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That was a joke. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: |
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That's too bad. But after the team was met with booing and worse at the airport, you knew it was coming.
Fair weather fans, who because their team did well at one World Cup, with generous help from the officials, now unrealistically expect to be world beaters. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: |
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That's too bad. But after the team was met with booing and worse at the airport, you knew it was coming.
Fair weather fans, who because their team did well at one World Cup, with generous help from the officials, now unrealistically expect to be world beaters. |
Nobody thought Korea would do well this world cup. Also, the booing was restricted to a couple of people, and was mostly aimed at the coach for his supposed favoritism in selecting players. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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That's too bad. But after the team was met with booing and worse at the airport, you knew it was coming.
Fair weather fans, who because their team did well at one World Cup, with generous help from the officials, now unrealistically expect to be world beaters. |
Nobody thought Korea would do well this world cup. Also, the booing was restricted to a couple of people, and was mostly aimed at the coach for his supposed favoritism in selecting players. |
People obviously did think they would do better than they did. All those stores who were banking on doing big business during the World Cup for starters.
Just a couple of people--there were more than two at the airport throwing yut at the players and those were just the ones angry enough to go out and meet them at the airport.
Koreans are fair weather fans--how many are rooting for Shin Soo Choo these days? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
That's too bad. But after the team was met with booing and worse at the airport, you knew it was coming.
Fair weather fans, who because their team did well at one World Cup, with generous help from the officials, now unrealistically expect to be world beaters. |
Nobody thought Korea would do well this world cup. Also, the booing was restricted to a couple of people, and was mostly aimed at the coach for his supposed favoritism in selecting players. |
People obviously did think they would do better than they did. All those stores who were banking on doing big business during the World Cup for starters.
Just a couple of people--there were more than two at the airport throwing yut at the players and those were just the ones angry enough to go out and meet them at the airport.
Koreans are fair weather fans--how many are rooting for Shin Soo Choo these days? |
Say what you will about the candy throwers, but the supporters club that shows up at the airport at 5 in the morning or whatever to throw stuff are not fairweather fans. They're more like the diehards all teams seem to attract who spend more time complaining about the team than enjoying the game. The fairweather fans are the ones that promptly changed the channel and didn't care. The candy throwers are another arm of the triangle between loyal supporters and fairweather. They are loyal to the team and knowledgeable like loyalists, but always finicky and negative like fairweathers. They're my least favorite kind of fans.
Anyways, most informed Korean fans knew that getting past the group stage was a dicey prospect. After drawing against Russia, there was some hope, but their performances in qualifying and leading up to everything did not give people much confidence.
Also, I don't think many businesses were counting on banking a lot of money given that most games were on at a terrible time. Unless you're talking about merchandising and stuff, in which case they failed. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
That's too bad. But after the team was met with booing and worse at the airport, you knew it was coming.
Fair weather fans, who because their team did well at one World Cup, with generous help from the officials, now unrealistically expect to be world beaters. |
Nobody thought Korea would do well this world cup. Also, the booing was restricted to a couple of people, and was mostly aimed at the coach for his supposed favoritism in selecting players. |
People obviously did think they would do better than they did. All those stores who were banking on doing big business during the World Cup for starters.
Just a couple of people--there were more than two at the airport throwing yut at the players and those were just the ones angry enough to go out and meet them at the airport.
Koreans are fair weather fans--how many are rooting for Shin Soo Choo these days? |
Say what you will about the candy throwers, but the supporters club that shows up at the airport at 5 in the morning or whatever to throw stuff are not fairweather fans. They're more like the diehards all teams seem to attract who spend more time complaining about the team than enjoying the game. The fairweather fans are the ones that promptly changed the channel and didn't care. The candy throwers are another arm of the triangle between loyal supporters and fairweather. They are loyal to the team and knowledgeable like loyalists, but always finicky and negative like fairweathers. They're my least favorite kind of fans.
Anyways, most informed Korean fans knew that getting past the group stage was a dicey prospect. After drawing against Russia, there was some hope, but their performances in qualifying and leading up to everything did not give people much confidence.
Also, I don't think many businesses were counting on banking a lot of money given that most games were on at a terrible time. Unless you're talking about merchandising and stuff, in which case they failed. |
Yes they are. They're fair weather fans no matter how you want to slice/contrive it.
As for merchants, there were plenty of news stories about how disappointed they were with sales. Tht includes the chicken shacks and the convenience stores. And there were special sales events at the department stores for example that didn't garner much interest.
Rather than "thinking," take some time and inform yourself. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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They need better players, not a new coach. They need a golden generation of players to emerge and one or two world class ones.
Since they are looking for a coach, someone who can organize a defense would be best. Their best hope is to become very hard to score against and squeak into a second round/quarterfinals. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
They need better players, not a new coach. They need a golden generation of players to emerge and one or two world class ones.
Since they are looking for a coach, someone who can organize a defense would be best. Their best hope is to become very hard to score against and squeak into a second round/quarterfinals. |
The need players that can hit the net when they shoot, instead of the ball going 3 meters wide. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Yes they are. They're fair weather fans no matter how you want to slice/contrive it. |
Like I said, they are and they aren't. Emotionally they are fair weather fans. As far as following the team they aren't. That's why I put them as part of a 3rd angle between loyal fans and total fair weathers. They have elements of both.
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As for merchants, there were plenty of news stories about how disappointed they were with sales. Tht includes the chicken shacks and the convenience stores. And there were special sales events at the department stores for example that didn't garner much interest.
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If those chicken shacks were expecting to do as much business as the last time around, they were delusional. The games were on at like 7 or 4AM on workdays. If they expected big business then they were idiots. Korea could have gone onto the group stage and the sheer timescale and logistics of the situation would have meant that they would have made less.
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| Rather than "thinking," take some time and inform yourself. |
A simple glance at fixture times and common sense would have told you the commercial possibilities this time around were limited. Maybe a few delusional ajummas with dreams of gold thought it would be big, but most people knew that this was a down year. You do realize that those newspapers are just looking for a story. Just because they find one ajumma chicken hof owner who was expecting big things this year doesn't mean that most out there felt that way.
Which is more likely?
A) BBQ Chicken, Kyochon, NeNe, etc. were banking on a big World Cup fiscal quarter with a flood of business at 7AM at their stores
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B) Korean media and atwood are overhyping the "loss of business" angle to make a story/point. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I think Hiddink's South Korea team got pretty lucky, though I have big respect for him as a coach. But coaching the Taegeuk Warriors has been described as a poisoned chalice, and I agree. Koreans expect big results really fast, and you can't do that with the training methods Korea employ.
I've heard Neil Lennon's name being bandied about, but they need a bigger name. I remember Korea also considered Mick McCarthy (UGH!) and Senol Gunes (got lucky with Turkey but isn't a big name) in the past. I'm wondering, however, if Korea is willing to put its money where its mouth is by agreeing to the high salary a premium name would command, not to mention the control needed to properly foster a good team. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:55 am Post subject: |
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What's wrong with Mick McCarthy? He's a good coach who gets results with talentless teams.
Anyway, I agree with the need for change in training. And Korea needs to change the way they choose positions for players. Korean defenders look like they are playing defence only because somebody else got picked to play the striker. No, true defenders are chosen because they can run all day long, that hasn't changed since 1890's. And change the motivation for playing: you play because you want to show that you're simply terriffic in the sack. It's always have been about advertising your male virility. See what I do with football? Do you want my seeds? that kind of thing. Korean players look like they are playing to get praise from their coaches. No,play for sack time. However, locking up daughters when a soccer team visits look like years away.  |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:31 am Post subject: |
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It doesn't need to be a big name coach. Just someone who can install a defensive system and stick with it through hell and highwater. Model themselves on the Greece team that won the Euros.
They don't have the talent to win anything straight up. They need to change the game at the grass roots level to widen the talent pool but I don't see it happening. |
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