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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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I've enjoyed the expressions of white fear and paranoia in this thread. But let's examine what's happened in Ferguson since the killing of Michael Brown.
Ferguson police have still not produced the incident report on the stop, frisk, and slaying of Michael Brown. Instead, they have produced the incident report of a much more minor crime, Michael Brown's robbery of cigarillos from a store.
Indeed, for a week after the slaying of Michael Brown, the Ferguson police withheld the name of Darren Wilson, Michael Brown's slayer. Now, Darren Wilson has fled Ferguson.
In the face of protests, Ferguson and St. Louis police decided to intimidate the populace of Ferguson. They pointed sniper rifles at peaceful protesters, and fired tear gas at those who demanded an investigation, the same investigation that should occur when anyone is slain. In the midst of this confrontation, looting did occur. The Ferguson Police Department named and shamed the looters.
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Here’s a microcosm of the relationship between state and citizen: We know the names of the nine people charged with felonies in the Ferguson looting, but not the name of the police officer at the center of the case.
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The behavior of the Ferguson and St. Louis County police in this matter is illuminating. They are ridiculously militarized suburban police dressed up like characters from Starship Troopers and pointing rifles at people from atop armored vehicles, i.e. the worst sort of mall ninjas. They are arresting people for making videos of them at work in public places, which people are legally entitled to do, a habit they share with many other police departments. Protecting life, liberty, and property — which is the job of the police — does not require scooping people up for making phone videos; in fact, it requires not scooping people up for making phone videos. |
At one point, the Ferguson police fired tear gas at an Al Jazeera camera crew, then confiscated its equipment.
At another point, the Ferguson police arrested reporters in a McDonalds, even roughing them up when they tarried.
Now, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has begun to interview possible witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown.
All the Ferguson police have released is video footage from an unrelated incident in which Michael Brown robbed a convenience store for cigarillos. Nonetheless, this open propaganda and clear attempt by the Ferguson police to try the case in the media has been met by Yahoo commentators and other simpletons as conclusive evidence that Michael Brown either provoked the officer, or simply is not a human being deserving of basic fundamental rights.
Meanwhile, it should be readily apparent that the Ferguson police department are engaged in a cover-up of incidents surrounding Darren Wilson's slaying of Michael Brown. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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A poster above stated that cops have always been power hungry, fascist jerks and that it only seems worse now because of cameras and the internet. I'd tend to agree, although there is no way to ever measure this.
What is more disturbing to me than the demeanor and mental state of cops on the beat is the procedural policy shifts. These can be measured. The number of SWAT teams and SWAT team deployments are through the roof. SWAT teams raided houses for shoplifters and raided barber shops for people cutting hair without a license- The Supreme Court has allowed no knock warrants and these subsequently have been abused- The asset forfeiture laws - The weapon proliferation of local police forces. I can see no reason for police departments to need grenade launchers, yet they have them. Once cops get weaponized drones its game over. Just another reason to never go back to the US. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| If the person walked into a store and stole a $48 box of cigars, he should be shot. Graveyard DEAD! |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:45 am Post subject: |
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I've enjoyed the expressions of white fear and paranoia in this thread.
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The paranoid position is that this Gentle Giant was just minding his business when a cop ran him down and show him for no reason.
Julia Ioffe writes a deranged anti-Russian weekly column for TNR. http://www.newrepublic.com/authors/julia-ioffe
She's found time in her schedule to head to St. Louis and shit on white people:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119102/what-white-st-louis-thinks-about-ferguson
Though I am familiar with her ethnic background so I could write her columns for her, on any topic under the sun, simply by using Bolshevik who/whom thinking (ie liberal ethics) and her editor wouldn't notice.
Basically, the Regime needs to keep white solidarity low to advance the project of importing a new population for a Permanent Democratic Majority where all decisions are made within the Party and the most coherent group completely dominants the Party. Until a Stalin comes along and shakes things up. Anyway. These Travon, Duke, Brown cases are useful to get blacks out voting and to demoralize white people and divide them.
However, the Regime also works to spread the disease into far away places like Russia, and uses the same tools to demonize Europeans in America to demonize Europeans in Europe.
These big race events diminish the moral authority of USG abroad. Why would a Hungarian take Kerry seriously when that gov uses Baghdad style policing against their own population? Yet USG needs these big media events to keep the racial majority in line domestically.
Trying to ruin the world with propaganda is a difficult thing. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:55 am Post subject: |
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The DOJ tried to prevent the release of the convenience store tape.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/should-eric-holder-be-indicted-for-ferguson-cover-up
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The Democrats have made clear in recent months that their strategy for the November elections is to encourage black turnout by ginning up racial rage against whites. To you and me who are familiar with the homicide statistics, the Administration’s and media’s campaign to convince volatile black potential voters that their boys are being hunted down and slaughtered en masse by white racists may sound like lunacy of the most dangerous sort.
But there are some very sharp people among the Democrats, and Michael Brown’s death was a gift to them. Unfortunately for them, the video of Brown engaging in hotheaded criminality moments before his death is deflationary toward their pyramid of paranoia. |
This is an excellent example of how the Regime uses the flow of information to control public opinion. The tape from the store undermines Brown as a saint. Period. So the Regime attempted to stop the release.
This is part of how they manage public opinion. For example, remember that plane that was shot down in Ukraine? Note that the Regime's evidence is tweets and youtube videos, and all actual evidence has been withheld. The truth of the matter is much less important than shaping the minds of the targeted in population, in this case, us. So we get nothing from the black box, nothing from radar, nothing of air traffic conversation, nothing from the spy ships in the sea near by, nothing, nothing, nothing. Putin did it, see this tweet, and *beep* you for thinking otherwise. They tried exactly the same strategy in Saint Louis. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I've enjoyed the expressions of white fear and paranoia in this thread.
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The paranoid position is that this Gentle Giant was just minding his business when a cop ran him down and show him for no reason.
Julia Ioffe writes a deranged anti-Russian weekly column for TNR. http://www.newrepublic.com/authors/julia-ioffe
She's found time in her schedule to head to St. Louis and shit on white people:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119102/what-white-st-louis-thinks-about-ferguson
Though I am familiar with her ethnic background so I could write her columns for her, on any topic under the sun, simply by using Bolshevik who/whom thinking (ie liberal ethics) and her editor wouldn't notice.
Basically, the Regime needs to keep white solidarity low to advance the project of importing a new population for a Permanent Democratic Majority where all decisions are made within the Party and the most coherent group completely dominants the Party. Until a Stalin comes along and shakes things up. Anyway. These Travon, Duke, Brown cases are useful to get blacks out voting and to demoralize white people and divide them.
However, the Regime also works to spread the disease into far away places like Russia, and uses the same tools to demonize Europeans in America to demonize Europeans in Europe.
These big race events diminish the moral authority of USG abroad. Why would a Hungarian take Kerry seriously when that gov uses Baghdad style policing against their own population? Yet USG needs these big media events to keep the racial majority in line domestically.
Trying to ruin the world with propaganda is a difficult thing. |
Do whites really have group interests compared to minority groups, or any reason for forming a coherent block? How do my interests merge with lower class white interests, or elite white interests, and why should I feel myself to be connected with them? I relate more readily to people from a similar background, of all races and nationalities, than a random white person or even another American. There is no single historical struggle, no real reason for whites to have the sort of solidarity you seem to wish for. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: |
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This thread isn't simply about Michael Brown (and its definitely not about Julia Ioffe's opinions on Putin). Every 28 hours, a security officer guns down a black male.
In the majority of cases, the black male was unarmed. Only in 27% of the cases did the black male possess a gun or a knife.
http://www.occupy.com/article/black-man-killed-us-every-28-hours-police
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| According to the report, 136 people or 44%, had no weapon at all the time they were killed by police officers. Another 27% were deaths in which police claimed the suspect had a gun but there was no corroboration to prove this. In addition, 6 people (2%) were alleged to have possessed knives or similar tools. Those who did, in fact, possess guns or knives were 20% (62 people) and 7% (23 people) of the study, respectively. |
Notice that I am posting from an Occupy Wall Street article from May, 2013.
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[M]ajor banks, such as Wachovia (now part of Wells Fargo) and HSBC have laundered money for drug dealers. Therefore, the very threat that the Drug War claims to eliminate is perpetuated more by the National Security State and Wall Street than by low-level street dealers. But rather than go after the bigger fish, the United States has used the pretext of the "war on drugs" to implement draconian police tactics on marginalized groups, particularly poor black communities.
In 1981, President Ronald Reagan passed the Military Cooperation with Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies Act, which provided civilian police agencies equipment, training, and advising from the military, along with access to military research and facilities. This weakened the line between the military and civilian law enforcement established by the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, a Reconstruction-era law forbidding military personnel from enforcing domestic laws. Five years later, in 1986, Reagan issued National Security Decision Directive 221, which declared drug trafficking a national security threat to the United States. This militarized the U.S. approach to drugs and overall policing. Additionally, the global war on terror and growth of the National Security State expanded this militarization of domestic policeunder the guise of "fighting terrorism."
The adoption of military tactics, equipment, training, and weapons leads to law enforcement adopting a war-like mentality. They come to view themselves as soldiers fighting against a foreign enemy rather police protecting a community. Nick Pastore, a former Police Chief of New Haven, Connecticut from 1990 to 1997, turned down military equipment that was offered to him. "I turned it all down, because it feeds a mind-set that you're not a police officer serving a community, you're a soldier at war," he told the New York Times. He said "tough-guy cops" in his department pushed for "bigger and more hardware" and "used to say, 'It's a war out there.'" Pastore added, "If you think everyone who uses drugs is the enemy, then you're more likely to declare war on the people." Mix this war-like mentality with already existing societal anti-black racism and the result is deadly. Black people, who, by default, are assumed to be criminals because of their skin color, become the victims of routine police violence.
The fact that a black person is killed by a police officer, security guard, or vigilante every 28 hours (or less) is no random act of nature. It is the inevitable result of institutional racism and militaristic tactics and thinking within America's domestic security apparatus. |
Occupy ties the fear of blacks in with the extreme armaments and tactics of the police. And yes, it originates with Reagan's War on Drugs, which is a very profitable venture to induce fear and paranoia. Perhaps nobody profits more from the Drug War than local cops and the Drug Enforcement Agency.
In the wake of Ferguson last week, Rand Paul (R-KY) agrees.
http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/
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The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.
Glenn Reynolds, in Popular Mechanics, recognized the increasing militarization of the police five years ago. In 2009 he wrote:
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Soldiers and police are supposed to be different. … Police look inward. They’re supposed to protect their fellow citizens from criminals, and to maintain order with a minimum of force.
It’s the difference between Audie Murphy and Andy Griffith. But nowadays, police are looking, and acting, more like soldiers than cops, with bad consequences. And those who suffer the consequences are usually innocent civilians. |
The Cato Institute’s Walter Olson observed this week how the rising militarization of law enforcement is currently playing out in Ferguson:
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| Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting of Riverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone”? |
Olson added, “the dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.”
How did this happen?
Most police officers are good cops and good people. It is an unquestionably difficult job, especially in the current circumstances.
There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.
Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.
This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”
Bernick continued, “federal agencies of all stripes, as well as local police departments in towns with populations less than 14,000, come equipped with SWAT teams and heavy artillery.” |
Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit, Walter Olson of the Cato Institute, and Evan Bernick of the Heritage Foundation trace how military armaments found their way to the hands of those who should be peace officers. Rand Paul then describes the impact on America.
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Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.
This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.
Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth. |
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Old Painless
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| If the person walked into a store and stole a $48 box of cigars, he should be shot. Graveyard DEAD! |
HABEEB'S FISH MARKET, OPEN FOR BUSINESS:
http://i.imgur.com/dFrTvrU.jpg
And you liberal bedwetters want to know why Habeeb needs a 30 round magazine. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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So.....the only logical explanation is that the cops yell "There's one! Let's go get him!" and go riding in screaming like Wild Indians ( apologies to any Wild Indians that may be reading this ) with their guns a blazin'.
We hear time after time that, if only left to their own devices, these little angels ( and who could possibly doubt that they were angels ) would have cured cancer, invented warp drive and founded the Jedi Order ( bringing peace, justice and order to the Galaxy ) in their free time. If this was not true, it would surely never have appeared on the internet.
There is "Black Twitter" where young black people post the pictures that they say that the police use to depict them in press releases. They are sneering, flashing gang signs or guns and dressed as if for a busy night of drive bys. These are then contrasted with pictures of them looking as if they might fit in somewhere with civilized society ( first appearance attire ). I wonder why the first pictures are all anybody has to go on until the spin doctors manufacture the second set.
There is, of course, no possibility that the large numbers of dead or imprisoned people were guilty of some crime and were killed or incarcerated in the ( more or less ) normal course of a somewhat routine ( and sincere, again, more or less ) effort to protect society.
I'm not really a big fan of the police ( except TV dramas ), but I feel that the more likely explanation is that these little scamps are responsibile for a lot of mischief, in contrast with other demographics. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| yodanole wrote: |
So.....the only logical explanation is that the cops yell "There's one! Let's go get him!" and go riding in screaming like Wild Indians ( apologies to any Wild Indians that may be reading this ) with their guns a blazin'.
We hear time after time that, if only left to their own devices, these little angels ( and who could possibly doubt that they were angels ) would have cured cancer, invented warp drive and founded the Jedi Order ( bringing peace, justice and order to the Galaxy ) in their free time. If this was not true, it would surely never have appeared on the internet.
There is "Black Twitter" where young black people post the pictures that they say that the police use to depict them in press releases. They are sneering, flashing gang signs or guns and dressed as if for a busy night of drive bys. These are then contrasted with pictures of them looking as if they might fit in somewhere with civilized society ( first appearance attire ). I wonder why the first pictures are all anybody has to go on until the spin doctors manufacture the second set.
There is, of course, no possibility that the large numbers of dead or imprisoned people were guilty of some crime and were killed or incarcerated in the ( more or less ) normal course of a somewhat routine ( and sincere, again, more or less ) effort to protect society.
I'm not really a big fan of the police ( except TV dramas ), but I feel that the more likely explanation is that these little scamps are responsibile for a lot of mischief, in contrast with other demographics. |
Yes, I'm sure that mischief is the reason why America has vastly more people in prison than any other country. Why didn't anyone think of that before. |
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Old Painless
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| This is the new normal. In LA in 1994 the National Guard played cards in airplane hangars until the riot petered out on its own. Then they went in and bulldozed all the rubble into piles. That is what will happen again. Once everything is looted and there is nothing else to get, things will fizzle out. I think I read somewhere that the national guard was shot at and they returned fire, everything pretty much ended after that. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| What's more plausible: 1) a power-hungry cop loses his cool when not given the respect he thinks he's owed, let's things get out of hand, unjustifiably guns down a black, and is then shielded by the blue wall or 2) an intercity black that had just robbed a store loses his cool when confronted by a cop, tries unsuccessfully to wrestle away his gun, gets shot in the process, and is then shielded by the black wall? As of now, I see no reason to lean one way or the other. One thing I do, however, know: the more Trayvon Martin's name and the disingenuous concept of "unarmed" get invoked in this case, the less sympathetic to Michael Brown I become. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| yodanole wrote: |
| I'm not really a big fan of the police ( except TV dramas ), but I feel that the more likely explanation is that these little scamps are responsibile for a lot of mischief, in contrast with other demographics. |
Do you think you know what happened? You don't. And you don't have the resources to investigate what really happened. How could you? You think that cable news or twitter can help you?
Missouri must charge Officer Wilson with a crime, or else there will be riots. Police intimidation hasn't worked, they decisively lost national support when they jailed journalists. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Missouri must charge Officer Wilson with a crime, or else there will be riots. Police intimidation hasn't worked [...] |
No, it hasn't, but the race riot intimidation is moving along marvelously.
There needs to be an investigation, a serious, legitimate, outside investigation, but that, not the threat of riot, should determine whether or not the officer should be charged with anything. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
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| Missouri must charge Officer Wilson with a crime, or else there will be riots. Police intimidation hasn't worked [...] |
No, it hasn't, but the race riot intimidation is moving along marvelously.
There needs to be an investigation, a serious, legitimate, outside investigation, but that, not the threat of riot, should determine whether or not the officer should be charged with anything. |
The protests will produce the political pressure for an investigation.
As for the riots, it results from the police attempts at intimidation against the protests. Blame police heavy-handedness for the violence, its entirely their fault. Or is someone going to suggest that pointing a sniper rifle at a First Amendment demonstration constitutes competent policing? |
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