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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| I guess I'm the only one that likes Korea's laws in this area. I remember walking into a parking garage stairwell in Victoria (Canada) and a young junkie woman was lying there. I never worry about my car stereo being stolen like it was in Toronto either. I think the lack of street crime here relates to the lack of drugs. |
I always laugh at posts like this. Please, look up crime stats from various countries and inform yourself. Then throw in the blood money culture, under or non reporting of domestic abuse and sexual offences, and then see how Korea stacks up in the international community of crime.
That's not to say the "West" has it all figured out at all. I'm just saying Korea isn't the crime free utopia many foreigners imagine it to be. Then there's the trade off. Korea may not have the drugs and urban decay, but it also doesn't have the art, innovation, creativity and freedoms of many other countries. Maybe that's fine with you, it's fine with lots of people and there's nothing wrong with that. But we have to acknowledge that there's a trade off there. Yeah, drug use is higher in "Western" countries, but suicide, depression and alcoholism is rampant here. Would I rather have my teenage kid smoking pot, or would I rather him jumping off a building? Would I rather my kid's teacher get high on Saturday night and encourage him to be creative, or would I rather a high strung emotional mess beating conformity into him? It's not an either/or, I'm just saying there are costs to every system.
Anyway, look at the Dutch. Some of the lowest levels of crime and drug abuse in the developed world along with a strong economy, arts and innovation. Maybe the answer isn't how illegal it should be, but a different way of dealing with it all together. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, but this is a relevant point. It's not a mindless comparison, it's a very real issue. I don't know the precise details, but that doesn't mean the point shouldn't be noted. |
It's not that you don't know the precise details. As demonstrated by the quote in question, you don't even know the basic details required to make the point you're trying to take. Your argument is not only lacking sufficient knowledge, but contains false information.
Yet, as usual, you feel you have a point in translating false and incomplete information into a relevant argument. |
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JDLT
Joined: 20 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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But as someone who often calls out SR, I just want to say this post is vile and completely uncalled for. It's been done before, and SR always handles it himself as he's done here. But I just wanted to say it's not ok.
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Yes, it was absolutely a low blow - and to be honest I feel like a complete tool for writing it.
But there is something behind this dude's almost obsessive behavior in relation to his posts - a complex based on a need to make up for something.
Steels has almost made it like some sort of a mission to defend many things Korean.
I understand that to an extent cause there's a lot of bullish on this message board at times - but it's almost as if he feeds off the hate.
Yeah, what I said was hurtful and in very poor-taste, but there' definitely an element of truth to it.
Our own personal psychology whether you like it or not has an absolute bearing of our ideas and world view.
Hell I likely have my own crap inside me for calling out Steels like I did. It was a low blow and my own weakness were reflected in what I wrote.
But like I said, it's just the same old thing time and time again with that dude. And yeah man I respect the man for obviously coming to the point where he's made the best of it and turned it into a positive.
However, whenever someone takes on a side of the pendulum that has gone too far in one direction, I have to question its source.
Anyways, you're right, though.....
That was a low blow and I'm sorry. No matter what point I may actually have; it was a reflection of a lazy argument and insensitive person.
Sorry Steels, and dude I'm done with this board now.
I wish you the best. |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails is a contrarian - his self-esteem is tied up in going against the flow. His Korean ethnicity brings it to a more personal level but it's still the same - you say up, he'll say down and drag in any BS or make up stories to strengthen his position. Bo-oh-oh-ring. But, I must say, the dude really puts time into those posts. He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. Give this guy a wide berth - the dude can't stand losing and will throw the baby out with the bathwater just to think he has gained the upper hand. Again, bo-oh-oh-ring. Just another mine in the field of time.
As for the waegook-in heading for the slammer - there but for the grace of God go each and every one of us. It may not be the ganja, it may be some other legal point, cultural norm or sense of logic that goes against the "Korean Way"....it may not end up with you in stir, but it might mean loss of job or money, a midnight run, loss of relationship, or just a major headache. Each and every one of will cross the "Korean Way" someday - best have an escape plan for the inevitable. |
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coratheexplorer
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
Steelrails is a contrarian - his self-esteem is tied up in going against the flow. His Korean ethnicity brings it to a more personal level but it's still the same - you say up, he'll say down and drag in any BS or make up stories to strengthen his position. Bo-oh-oh-ring. But, I must say, the dude really puts time into those posts. He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. Give this guy a wide berth - the dude can't stand losing and will throw the baby out with the bathwater just to think he has gained the upper hand. Again, bo-oh-oh-ring. Just another mine in the field of time.
As for the waegook-in heading for the slammer - there but for the grace of God go each and every one of us. It may not be the ganja, it may be some other legal point, cultural norm or sense of logic that goes against the "Korean Way"....it may not end up with you in stir, but it might mean loss of job or money, a midnight run, loss of relationship, or just a major headache. Each and every one of will cross the "Korean Way" someday - best have an escape plan for the inevitable. |
More than a contrarian: a mod here and I suspect employee with KISCOM. Hasn't anyone else figured that out yet? |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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BING! BING! BING! I'm telling you, keep a wide berth of this guy - he's using Dave's as a conduit to bait "outsiders" into speaking against the Borg. Expect a 3am knock on BlackCat's door - next time you hear from him he'll be extolling Korea's unique four seasons and asking if you can eat spicy food.
But, seriously, keep off the grass, lads. It's way overpriced and rubbish to boot. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
Steelrails is a contrarian - his self-esteem is tied up in going against the flow. His Korean ethnicity brings it to a more personal level but it's still the same - you say up, he'll say down and drag in any BS or make up stories to strengthen his position. Bo-oh-oh-ring. But, I must say, the dude really puts time into those posts. He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. Give this guy a wide berth - the dude can't stand losing and will throw the baby out with the bathwater just to think he has gained the upper hand. Again, bo-oh-oh-ring. Just another mine in the field of time.
As for the waegook-in heading for the slammer - there but for the grace of God go each and every one of us. It may not be the ganja, it may be some other legal point, cultural norm or sense of logic that goes against the "Korean Way"....it may not end up with you in stir, but it might mean loss of job or money, a midnight run, loss of relationship, or just a major headache. Each and every one of will cross the "Korean Way" someday - best have an escape plan for the inevitable. |
Well said SM. On the other hand, if we didn't have Steelheart, who would fill that void for us? Who would stand for 'the other side'? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| SR says so much stupid crap and spams every thread that we have enough material to go after him without going down to this level. |
Thank you BlackCat. Class of you to say so. Seriously.
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| In any event, you always bring it back to the US, but you have to realize there are lots of other countries out there and many/most of them don't do drug tests for non-technical jobs. I would also like to state that I can disagree with a national policy and still work within that system. |
Well I agree with being able to disagree. I'd say more if you choose to actively disobey the law (rather than disagree with it) and you get busted, you shouldn't have come here.
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| The thing is, pot stays in your system much longer than much harder drugs. Coke isn't legal in most (all?) nations, but you could pass a test within a week. Pot, on the other hand, is fine in many civilized jurisdictions but can bite you in the ass 3-4 months down the road. |
Well, I think we're kind of in agreement here about my point of how business practices and federal international law hasn't caught up to the recent wave of legalization/decriminalization and we need the U.S. authorities and the U.N. to reform their regulations to define what needs to be done in those cases. When it was illegal everywhere it was one thing, but now that its becoming more and more common, the system really needs to change, like I said. Not just in Korea, everywhere.
I don't think that point is "But in the US..." I think that's a very relevant point.
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| But I would be interested if you thought it'd be ok if someone said because they saw some black guys outside a McDonalds a few years ago causing trouble they believe all black guys are criminal thugs. For someone who is so adamantly against foreigners stereotyping Koreans you seem to be fine with Koreans stereotyping foreigners. |
I'm saying be consistent. If its wrong for them, its wrong for us. If its okay for us, its okay for them.
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It's not that you don't know the precise details. As demonstrated by the quote in question, you don't even know the basic details required to make the point you're trying to take. Your argument is not only lacking sufficient knowledge, but contains false information.
Yet, as usual, you feel you have a point in translating false and incomplete information into a relevant argument. |
Dude, I think the point that international and federal law has not caught up to the recent wave of decriminalization is a very relevant point when talking about the issue and getting busted on a piss test.
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| He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. |
That's one of the benefits of studying as a child and being well-read and having parents who invested themselves in my education and were well-educated themselves. A lot of my examples don't involve wiki (I'm no TUM when it comes to the citations), and things like proper spelling and knowing where and what facts to look to cite drast | | |
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