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Contract



Joined: 06 May 2011

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:33 am    Post subject: 2 things Reply with quote

HI,

I have two questions for anyone who can answer them.

1-Let's say that you're hired by a language school and your contract is signed and already registered at the immigration office AND a few weeks later your employer wants you to sign a new contract because your school is becoming a corporate enterprise and no longer a simple franchise (from what I understood)...

Question: What does an E2 visa holder do in that case? Should the teacher sign the second contact (which will be the real one)? If so, how can that be done legally speaking? How can the first contract be cancelled and the second contract be valid?

2-Let's say a teacher works for 10 months and the employer than decides to
give him/her a final notice stating that the Foreign language classes will be cancelled and the Korean classes will continue being given. This means that all Foreign teachers teaching at this school get dismissed while the Korean teachers stay at their jobs because of financially difficulties.

Question: What can the Foreign teacher do when he/she has been working for 10 months and then finds him/herself jobless? Just find another job? Can she/he get some more money other than the simple last salary (the final working day)?


Thanks,
Contract
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, quick and dirty answers are:

1. If you're offered a new contract, then you can either take it or leave it. Old contract is gone.

2. You should get a 30-day notice and Letter of Release. When that's done, you apply for D-10 visa and look for jobs again.

Times are tough in Korea and by the looks of it, will get even tougher for ordinary folks. Crying or Very sad
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talentedcrayon



Joined: 27 Aug 2013
Location: Why do you even care?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically, wouldn't they be breaching the old contract if they didn't continue to honor it? Not that hagwons care about breaching contracts. There are no consequences when they do.

I don't think it's worth fighting them over OP. I agree with what Andrewchon had to say. However, if you sign the new contract I think you might need to contact immigration about it. The people sponsoring your visa have completely changed. A corporation is a separate legal entity. As far as immigration is concerned, you are employed by the people who you signed your original contract with. I can see how this could end badly for you if you don't make sure everything is totally legal. You, not the school, will face the consequences.

I don't think it's as easy as looking for a new job. If you refuse to sign the new contract, the school probably won't give you a release letter. Basically, this would mean going back home and getting a totally new set of documents all at your own expense (flights, visa...)

This being said, it's possible you could claim breach of contract and go to the labour ministry. Take the new contract with you as evidence, explain you are being forced to work for an employer other than the one you originally signed the contract with. It seems like a bait and switch scam. The labour ministry can give you a release letter if you have a case.

Basically, you either sign the contract, fight them through the labour ministry (maybe?), or you go home.

If the contract is essentially the same, just sign it and make sure your status is totally legal in Korea.

Good luck OP.
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would pay attention to any changes in the terms.

For example, if ABC Hagwon is changing its name to XYZ hagwon but all the terms and pay are the same, as well as the address, then why not sign it? Make sure the starting date is retro so you don't have to work more than a year to get severance.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#2 - I would still hit up the labor board after you get your LOR. They have been cracking down on the 11th month firing
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: 2 things Reply with quote

Contract wrote:
HI,

I have two questions for anyone who can answer them.

1-Let's say that you're hired by a language school and your contract is signed and already registered at the immigration office AND a few weeks later your employer wants you to sign a new contract because your school is becoming a corporate enterprise and no longer a simple franchise (from what I understood)...

Question:
a. What does an E2 visa holder do in that case?
b. Should the teacher sign the second contact (which will be the real one)?
c. If so, how can that be done legally speaking?
d. How can the first contract be cancelled and the second contract be valid?

2-Let's say a teacher works for 10 months and the employer than decides to give him/her a final notice stating that the Foreign language classes will be cancelled and the Korean classes will continue being given. This means that all Foreign teachers teaching at this school get dismissed while the Korean teachers stay at their jobs because of financially difficulties.

Question:
a. What can the Foreign teacher do when he/she has been working for 10 months and then finds him/herself jobless?
b. Just find another job?
c. Can she/he get some more money other than the simple last salary (the final working day)?


Thanks,
Contract


1.
a. What you do depends on a few factors such as the similarity between the old and new contact and whether you want to continue working for the new school. It will also depend on whether the school as an legal entity (a juridic person) is being sold to a new owner (human or corporation) or if the school is being shut down (going out of business) and the owner is merely selling the building, furniture, equipment and student list to another person (or company) who intend to open a new school and offer jobs to all the teachers and classes tot he students. Which is it in your case?
b. Whether you sign is up to you. We'll need more information to help you with that question.
c. How it's done will depend on whether the school is being sold or if the owner is simply shutting down and selling all of the components of the school (see above). If it's the first then you're old contract is still valid since you were employed by the school, not the owner. In the second case, you'll need to go to immigration with the old and new bosses and get your visa transferred over to the new place. You'll have up to 2 weeks after the school shuts down or else you've technically over-stayed your visa. Depending on who you deal with at immigration, you might or might not be able to do the transfer. Technically, your old boss needs to file a report at the Ministry of Employment and Labor to state that he's selling the place and wants permission to layoff everyone. After approval, he has to give you 30 days notice (or equivalent pay). After the place shuts down you can transfer your visa to any employer that you want (not limited to the company that the boss sold the place to).
d. Simple. Your boss gives you notice and then the contract is cancelled. The second is made valid by both of you signing it.

2.
a. He can and should go to the LB right away to claim an unjust firing. This is an 11th month firing. Classic move that small business owners have been pulling ages. The LB has long since caught on. They will recommend that your boss NOT fire you or pay you what you would have normally got if you hadn't been fired (salary and severance). The boss doesn't have to listen to the LB but if he doesn't then it will remain on the schools permanent record and cause problems later. If you go to court then the LB will submit their opinion that the school was in the wrong and the judge will almost certainly find in your favor.
b. If you have an LOR from the school then you can find a new job. But that might make it harder for you to claim losses. The LB can also give you something like an LOR if they agree that you were fired unjustly. With this you can also go find a new job.
c. Yes. They can get severance and any year end or contract completion bonuses. You might have to fight for it in court and beyond salary and severance, you might not get much else. That would depend on the judge and on how much the school wants to avoid a permanent red mark on it's file at the LB (and possibly whether they want to avoid drawing attention to other shady stuff that they might be doing).
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