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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:04 am Post subject: |
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You guys know the history of intellectual argument right?
Let's start at the beginning. During the Paleolithic there is no use for intellectually disputing things. Things just are, you dispute with a spear if you dispute at all.
But 2500 years ago in the Iron Age there is an explosion of art/culture. It's quite interesting in that it happens simultaneously across the world. Philosophy is born...
* West -- Around 500BC the Greeks invent philosophy, but it quickly morphs into debate. Various forms evolve. One form is actually designed to take something which is not true, and by convincing argument, make people believe that it is true! A questionable use of intelligence. It is peculiar to me that philosophy and argument were linked as one in this culture.
* East -- Around 600BC in China we see philosophy, Lau Tsu with Taoism. This school of thought is focused on understanding the nature of things, wisdom. Not only is there no argument, but their philosophy is aggressively anti-argument, the thinking being that argument accomplishes nothing good.
Which is why you guys argue so much, you are decedents of Greek thinking!! And it's why Koreans don't argue, because they are decedents of a different way of thinking; they find intellectual argument pointless. Now you know and can use this to have better relations in the East!  |
Koreans don't argue about what should be? |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
| Koreans don't argue about what should be? |
Well to argue about if Koreans argue... 
As one Korean told me "if two people argue, someone loses, thus bad feelings, and nothing accomplished anyhow, so what is the point?". It is just a different culture. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
* East -- Around 600BC in China we see philosophy, Lau Tsu with Taoism. This school of thought is focused on understanding the nature of things, wisdom. Not only is there no argument, but their philosophy is aggressively anti-argument, the thinking being that argument accomplishes nothing good. |
This is the second time I've seen you bring up Laozi and Daoism. If you liked him, you should like the rest of the Daoist canon as well. Have you read the Zhuangzi? There's a passage near the end of the Autumn Flood chapter (which probably wasn't actually written by Zhuangzi himself) in particular which somewhat mirrors what you're saying here, focused on a famous philosopher of the logician school named Gongsun Long and his failings. The very end of the same chapter also includes a passage wherein Huizi tries to engage Zhuangzi in an argument, and Zhuangzi twists it all into one big joke (albeit one which won't be funny to anyone who reads it in translation, because it's a joke based on the characters used to write the text). |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I went thru a bunch of Eastern stuff a few years ago. I always found Lao Tzu's thoughts the most refined. Sun Tzu is practical and my second favorite. Confucius I feel is mostly a bonehead and gets it 50% right 50% wrong.
Hmm but I never heard of Zhuangzi...shall look him up!! |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| Koreans don't argue about what should be? |
Well to argue about if Koreans argue...
As one Korean told me "if two people argue, someone loses, thus bad feelings, and nothing accomplished anyhow, so what is the point?". It is just a different culture. |
Koreans argue, case closed. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| Koreans don't argue about what should be? |
Well to argue about if Koreans argue...
As one Korean told me "if two people argue, someone loses, thus bad feelings, and nothing accomplished anyhow, so what is the point?". It is just a different culture. |
Koreans argue, case closed. |
Yes. I would agree with this. If only prescriptively.
As we know, Stain is a clever and insightful poster.
His use of the comma does not go unnoticed.
Had he written - Koreans argue. Cased closed.
This would mean that Koreans argue and there is no disputing that fact.
However, his clever use of the comma lends to this interpretation.
Koreans argue, with a closed mind. ( comma optional)
This is an insightful and non trivial observation which has strong vibrational truth to it.
I shudder when I realize how often my own case is closed.
Thank you for the opportunity to reflect on the human capacity to improve. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans and other people around the world will use whatever method they think will work. Whether that is an appeal to tradition and traditional methods or the latest in ploys, people will use whatever. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Koreans and other people around the world will use whatever method they think will work. Whether that is an appeal to tradition and traditional methods or the latest in ploys, people will use whatever. |
No, and you and your lies and fabrications and deceit are proof of that when you 'argue'. You're a disgusting liar and a vile, horrid person. You really deserve Korea, and Korea deserves you. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| Koreans don't argue about what should be? |
Well to argue about if Koreans argue...
As one Korean told me "if two people argue, someone loses, thus bad feelings, and nothing accomplished anyhow, so what is the point?". It is just a different culture. |
Koreans argue, case closed. |
Yes. I would agree with this. If only prescriptively.
As we know, Stain is a clever and insightful poster.
His use of the comma does not go unnoticed.
Had he written - Koreans argue. Cased closed.
This would mean that Koreans argue and there is no disputing that fact.
However, his clever use of the comma lends to this interpretation.
Koreans argue, with a closed mind. ( comma optional)
This is an insightful and non trivial observation which has strong vibrational truth to it.
I shudder when I realize how often my own case is closed.
Thank you for the opportunity to reflect on the human capacity to improve. |
Ouch Cosmic! You tore me up good on that one. One of these days, I'm gonna figure out how to use commas. |
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