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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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radcon wrote: |
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northway wrote: |
Korean food is great, but you'll burn out on it at some point. My argument has always been that as a Westerner, particularly if you've lived in big cities, you're used to having dozens of different ethnic cuisines at your fingertips. It's a rough adjustment to transition to eating just one plus whatever Western slop you can get a hold of. Thankfully, that's changing. |
First, you have to go to a lot of different places to find the places that do specific dishes really well. Once you find the places that have a great signature dish, your time-to-burnout is greatly extended.
Second, there are a ton of ethnic restaurants in Seoul. You might have to travel to get to them, but they are there. Near Dongdaemun Stadium is an area that has a bunch of authentic Indian restaurants. Around the corner from there is an area that has Ukrainian restaurants. Then there's Itaewon, if you can be bothered to go there. And scattered throughout the city are a smattering of Japanese restaurants that have varying degrees of success.
There are great food options in Seoul, make no mistake. |
Ok so Seoul has Indian and Uzbek food covered. What about Italian, Mexican, nonKoreanized Chinese, a decent sandwich? The microbrew joints are mediocre. 9 out of 10 of the "ethnic" restaurants in Itaweon are douchy, overpriced with crap food. |
So have we changed the goalposts from "There is no good food in Seoul" to "Seoul doesn't have great versions of every cuisine from around the world"?
If so, then I accept your tacit admission that there is great food to be had in Seoul and I rest my case. If you are hoping for me to hold you by the hand and take you around to every great restaurant I've ever been in, that's just not going to happen.
Also, I would agree, 9 out of 10 restaurants are crap. That's in many places. It's certainly true where I am in the midwest. That's why you have to find the 1 out of 10 that is good. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Adam Carolla wrote: |
Also, I would agree, 9 out of 10 restaurants are crap. That's in many places. It's certainly true where I am in the midwest. That's why you have to find the 1 out of 10 that is good. |
Well, I think there really has been a transformation over the last decade where you can now get awesome Thai/Chinese/Indian/Lebanese in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc. Even smaller US cities have really stepped up their game and "ethnic" cuisine (bullshit term) has moved more into the mainstream. Seoul has a long ways to go before it can match regional hubs like Atlanta, Boston, and Montreal, let alone heavy hitters like San Francisco and New York. I don't see this as a character flaw, but it is what it is. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Read through the thread and it was different than I thought it would be. Concerning the "milk" a few facts easily found on-line outlining why it is not good for human consumption:
1. False Image - History is replete with unfounded health beliefs, and to everyone’s detriment, the milk myth is among the most tenacious.
2. Calcium Depletion - The flawed belief that this protein and calcium-rich drink is essential to support good overall health and bone health in particular at any age. However, many scientific studies have shown an assortment of detrimental health effects directly linked to milk consumption. The most surprising link is that not only do we barely absorb the calcium in cow’s milk (especially if pasteurized), but to make matters worse, it actually increases calcium loss from the bones.
3. Weakening of the bones - Milk acidifies the body pH which in turn triggers a biological correction. Calcium is an excellent acid neutralizer and the biggest storage of calcium in the body is in the bones. So the very same calcium that our bones need to stay strong is utilized to neutralize the acidifying effect of milk. This neutralizing effect leads to a shortage of calcium needed to maintain healthy bone density.
4. Designed for animal consumption - Nobody can dispute that cow’s milk is an excellent food source for calves. Weighing around 100 pounds at birth, a calf typically gains approximately eight times its weight by the time it is weaned. But unlike humans, once calves are weaned, they never drink milk again. And the same applies to every mammalian species on this planet. Also, each mammalian species has its own “designer” milk, and cow’s milk is no exception. For example, cow’s milk contains on average three times the amount of protein than human milk which creates metabolic disturbances in humans that have detrimental bone health consequences.
5. Scientific Studies - Scientific studies contradict the conventional wisdom that milk and dairy consumption help reduce osteoporotic fractures. Cumming and Klineberg (1994) reported the following: "consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. (“Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Hip Fractures in the Elderly”. American Journal of Epidemiology. Vol. 139, No. 5, 1994)."
In addition, a 12 year Harvard Nurses’ Health Study found that those who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones than those who rarely drank milk. This is a broad study based on 77,761 women aged 34 through 59 years of age. The author of the study wrote: "data does not support the hypothesis that higher consumption of milk or other food sources of calcium by adult women protects against hip or forearm fractures.” (Source: Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. American Journal of Public Health. 1997)."
6. Researchers' own words - Amy Lanou Ph.D., nutrition director for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine in Washington, D.C., stated: "The countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis are the ones where people drink the most milk and have the most calcium in their diets. The connection between calcium consumption and bone health is actually very weak, and the connection between dairy consumption and bone health is almost nonexistent.”
7. Other Factors - a) Milk is an acidifying animal protein which is quite harmful to proper human bodily health maintenance; b) Today’s milk is a processed food, i.e. The processes involved in processing further alter milk’s chemistry and actually increase its detrimental acidifying effects; and c) milking cows are normally and regularly given antibiotics and most are also injected with a genetically engineered form of bovine growth hormone (rBGH). A man-made or synthetic hormone used to artificially increase milk production, rBGH also increases blood levels of the insulin-growth factor 1 (IGF-1) in those who drink it. And higher levels of IGF-1 are linked to several cancers.
As someone who likes milk I have to say I do miss the occasional drink of milk, and sometimes I even indulge, but I stay away from milk as much as possible.
Drink at your own risk, but understand there are other healthy options out there if you must have something to drink. Cheers
All sources found from: http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/ |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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northway wrote: |
Adam Carolla wrote: |
Also, I would agree, 9 out of 10 restaurants are crap. That's in many places. It's certainly true where I am in the midwest. That's why you have to find the 1 out of 10 that is good. |
Well, I think there really has been a transformation over the last decade where you can now get awesome Thai/Chinese/Indian/Lebanese in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Milwaukee, etc. Even smaller US cities have really stepped up their game and "ethnic" cuisine (bullshit term) has moved more into the mainstream. Seoul has a long ways to go before it can match regional hubs like Atlanta, Boston, and Montreal, let alone heavy hitters like San Francisco and New York. I don't see this as a character flaw, but it is what it is. |
I'm not arguing the point that the U.S. and many countries are more multi-cultural than Korea. My point is, the people who say there is nothing worth eating in Korea probably haven't tried very hard to find something decent, or they haven't been in country long enough to know their options. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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PureLuck wrote: |
Even the tapwater is good! I'm drinking it out of this Fanta bottle that I saved and it has this very slight citrusy flavour. Mmm.
Steelrails wrote: |
Also, people over the age of like, 13, should not drink milk except as an additive to tea or in cooking. |
You need to chill out and learn to enjoy the simple things in life. |
Sorry but adults drinking milk is akin to grown men wearing shorts to work, chewing bubble gum, drinking from a straw while at a table, sugary cereals, playing checkers or tic-tac-toe, bringing a mitt to a baseball game, sandals away from the beach, not wearing a belt, using a pencil instead of a pen for office work, chewing a pencil, drinking rum and cokes over whiskey (unlesd for concealment purposes), and popsicles (unless dunked in beer). Theres just certain things a grown man moves past and certainly doesnt enjoy in public. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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SHGator428 wrote: |
Adam Carolla wrote: |
There are great food options in Seoul, make no mistake. |
Please do share. Let's here about all of those (actually just a few would suffice) great options by name, since you seem to be in the know and are sure of it without a shadow of a doubt. |
Helloooooooo?????? |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: The food here is SO GOOD |
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PureLuck wrote: |
That's all I wanted to say. Especially the Seoul Milk that I got at the grocery. Everything's delicious!
Do I really have to go home eventually? |
And the silly Koreaboo award for lamest post this Chusok season goes to...you. |
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SeoulNate

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Location: Hyehwa
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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This is here for later:
1. OP is surely a sock
2. OP will write tasteless drivel about the niceties of Korea for a few weeks
3. OP will pretend to have a mental break / financial issue / unbelievable work issue that will change opinion
4. Disgruntled sock version will be engaged
The new IPIC will be born. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
PureLuck wrote: |
Even the tapwater is good! I'm drinking it out of this Fanta bottle that I saved and it has this very slight citrusy flavour. Mmm.
Steelrails wrote: |
Also, people over the age of like, 13, should not drink milk except as an additive to tea or in cooking. |
You need to chill out and learn to enjoy the simple things in life. |
Sorry but adults drinking milk is akin to grown men wearing shorts to work, chewing bubble gum, drinking from a straw while at a table, sugary cereals, playing checkers or tic-tac-toe, bringing a mitt to a baseball game, sandals away from the beach, not wearing a belt, using a pencil instead of a pen for office work, chewing a pencil, drinking rum and cokes over whiskey (unlesd for concealment purposes), and popsicles (unless dunked in beer). Theres just certain things a grown man moves past and certainly doesnt enjoy in public. |
Are you against chocolate milk, too?
I routinely drink chocolate milk after a long bike ride. It is recommended as a good recovery drink.
I also drink milk on a daily basis as I like it. I put it in my cereal as well but I guess only kids should be eating cereal?
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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cj1976 wrote: |
The culinary culture in The Land Of Four Seasonings gets old fast. |
1. Salty
2. Acidic
3. Spicy
4. Sweet
I think everything else is technically considered a condiment or a flavor. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
PureLuck wrote: |
Even the tapwater is good! I'm drinking it out of this Fanta bottle that I saved and it has this very slight citrusy flavour. Mmm.
Steelrails wrote: |
Also, people over the age of like, 13, should not drink milk except as an additive to tea or in cooking. |
You need to chill out and learn to enjoy the simple things in life. |
Sorry but adults drinking milk is akin to grown men wearing shorts to work, chewing bubble gum, drinking from a straw while at a table, sugary cereals, playing checkers or tic-tac-toe, bringing a mitt to a baseball game, sandals away from the beach, not wearing a belt, using a pencil instead of a pen for office work, chewing a pencil, drinking rum and cokes over whiskey (unlesd for concealment purposes), and popsicles (unless dunked in beer). Theres just certain things a grown man moves past and certainly doesnt enjoy in public. |
I drink chocolate milk.  |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:04 am Post subject: |
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radcon wrote: |
What about Italian |
Doesn't Italian food basically suck anywhere outside of Italy? That's the impression I got.
Don Charly's.
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nonKoreanized Chinese |
Plenty of lamb skewer restaurants spread out across Seoul that have more authentic offerings. There are also proper Chinese enclaves in places like Guro where I imagine you can get the full-on stuff.
................................you got me there.
But I don't think the point is how diverse the offerings are here. It's more that most people eat pretty awful renditions of the local dishes while they're here and proceed to proclaim the nation's food as terrible. Most places serve slop, so I understand where the sentiment comes from. But there are some places that serve quality Korean food that make it really hard to go back to the slop once you've had a chance to try them. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Some Korean food is good, but a lot of it is horrendous slop borne from poverty-induced subsistence eating. Take the least nutritious, barely edible parts of animals and boil it with overpowering amounts of red pepper and garlic - in the hope that it will disguise the true nature of the gastronomic nightmare you have just partaken in. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
PureLuck wrote: |
Even the tapwater is good! I'm drinking it out of this Fanta bottle that I saved and it has this very slight citrusy flavour. Mmm.
Steelrails wrote: |
Also, people over the age of like, 13, should not drink milk except as an additive to tea or in cooking. |
You need to chill out and learn to enjoy the simple things in life. |
Sorry but adults drinking milk is akin to grown men wearing shorts to work, chewing bubble gum, drinking from a straw while at a table, sugary cereals, playing checkers or tic-tac-toe, bringing a mitt to a baseball game, sandals away from the beach, not wearing a belt, using a pencil instead of a pen for office work, chewing a pencil, drinking rum and cokes over whiskey (unlesd for concealment purposes), and popsicles (unless dunked in beer). Theres just certain things a grown man moves past and certainly doesnt enjoy in public. |
Can't we include posting opinionated drivel that no one is interested in among the things that grown-ups don't engage in?  |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
radcon wrote: |
What about Italian |
Doesn't Italian food basically suck anywhere outside of Italy? That's the impression I got. |
I don't think so. I've been to some amazing Italian restaurants in Toronto (actually Etobicoke if you can believe it), and I'm sure there are great Italian restaurants in probably every US city, and in London; maybe Tokyo.
If you look at Michelin Star restaurants, Korea has none. I think that says something, although I'm sure someone here will claim that it doesn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michelin_starred_restaurants#By_country |
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