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cmxc



Joined: 19 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Korea must keep proven approach to education Reply with quote

Are you fucking kidding me?

Korea must keep proven approach to education
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/09/181_164316.html

'Remarkably, the traditional Korean approach to education was formative in the workforce and management that has created such creative and innovative products and services. It is performance orientation that leads to creativity after all.'

'Based on our study, Korea is best advised to continue its current proven approach to education and as such secure its future economic and political success, prosperity, and crucially, preserve its culture in light of globalized immigrant movement.'

I don't believe I have ever read a greater piece of bulllshit about the Korean education system.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean education could use a bit of shaking up, but it's not all bad. It does produce a high level of literacy and numeracy, but at the expense of individual liberty. Much like their workplace practices, efficiency is an issue that should be addressed. High school students have too many useless subjects to study - while it would be better to focus on a select few. Perhaps this would mean students wouldn't need to cram so many hours of ineffective studying into one day.
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People here are only functional because the education system puts the onus on parents to foot the bill twice: public through taxes and the private system through a parents pocketbook.

Grade 1 kids are only in the classroom for 3 hours or so a day and even older kids go for much less time than I ever did. There is so much wasted time as well. A morals class for people who know nothing about morals.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea must keep proven approach to education Reply with quote

cmxc wrote:

'Remarkably, the traditional Korean approach to education was formative in the workforce and management that has created such creative and innovative products and services. It is performance orientation that leads to creativity after all.'

"Remarkably"? funny choice of words.

Also, most of the products and services were "borrowed" from other places that did them first. Notably, USA and Japan. Much of the "innovation" here has either been borrowed, bought, or stolen.

This strategy has been beneficial for them, but calling it "innovative" is deceptive. But that seems to be the narrative they are going for. It makes sense it would be spun / reframed that way though.

As for the education system, what exactly is the "traditional" Korean approach to it? Seems the system is in flux with conservatives and liberals battling on the approach. They are coddling the students more and more and you've got to wonder how far they've gone from their traditional ways.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the article and as someone with more than 36 years of public, private and university experience as a trained educator, I have to question which pair of rose-colored glasses these guys were looking through when they wrote this article. If they are basing their information on currently enrolled students at university, then they might have a claim, but without seeing any hard facts, figures or statistics I would say they are simply writing what Korean readers want to see. Nothing in my 10 years of experience here as an educator would even suggest that Korean learners excel much in anything that is purported in the article. Nice try to be Korea Nice, but it is far from what the real picture of Korean education is like. IMHO
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The traditional Korean approach would be only the rich get educated. And among the poor, only the sons get to go to school.

As for the modern version of Korean educations, as I said many times, Korean schools aren't good, but they aren't bad. The biggest problem are over zealous parents that compare their Min-su to the smartest kid in the school Hyeon-su. So it's just a competition of who spends more money on hagwons to product the 'supposed' smarter kid.

This competition phenomenon is largely a Seoul/Gyeonggi thing. Although it does get competitive in the 'country'-side, but it ain't crazy like in Seoul. Kids in the rural areas are cool with becoming bakers, bus-drivers, car gps installers, and mechanics. And they do get okay pay, from what some of my former students have told me. But some of those jobs are a big no-no for a huge number of Seoul kids. They rather play LoL at home until that 'amazing' job comes a knockin'.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://ideas.ted.com/2014/09/04/what-the-best-education-systems-are-doing-right/

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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creativity? Show me some, please.

Maybe they mean this. There is a fairly new eating/shopping area in Pangyo named Avenue France. It includes no French restaurants or stores (maybe one small shop, maybe).

That's innovation in the field of multi-culturalism, France without the France.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
As for the education system, what exactly is the "traditional" Korean approach to it? Seems the system is in flux with conservatives and liberals battling on the approach.


This. With such an open market out there and parents looking at the latest things from inside Korea, from the US, from Europe, from wherever, Korea's education these days seems not so much a system as it is an anarchic bazaar.
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Kepler



Joined: 24 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:
Creativity? Show me some, please.

“I say: Wait ten years. No country combines innovation and quality like South Korea. Samsung illustrates quality but the innovation is less clear. Here are examples.

“1. Food preparation. In Seoul, a frie