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| a real teacher with qualifications |
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| a real teacher without qualifications |
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| a real teacher with qualifications in progress |
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| a backpacking cowbow |
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| just here for the money |
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| my lesson plan is bingo and hangman 5 days a week |
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| a lesson plan, what's that? |
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| none of the above |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Pretty good so far, 28 out of 36 consider themselves real teachers. of those 28, 17 are qualified teachers. Impressive.
or is it, probably the backpackers don't read this forum - or if they do dont' care or post. |
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Or the backpackers think their Bangkok-bought Khaosan Rd degrees make them eligible for the "real teacher with qualifications" category. Hey, 100 baht is 100 baht. |
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PootyTang

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Valley of the sun
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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A real teacher arrived in Korea on a bright sunny and warm teachers day in May of 1996. He was ready to teach his adults in Chamshil at the company he worked for....then reality set in....
A battered, worn out old man left in 1999 and never looked back.... |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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well i don't know if i could claim to be a "real" teacher but I try. I definitly was an awful teacher at my first hogwon when I started, but think i've greatly improved. All i was given as curriculum at my 2nd hogwon was a storybook- the rest has been up to me. Whoever replaces me next fall will be fortunate to have a bunch of worksheets I created to use.
I'd say i'd pass as decent in the hogwon industry; i put effort into my work but little energy into the couple classes where no one cares to learn. |
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Blue Flower
Joined: 23 Feb 2003 Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| To aid in my "real" teacherness, or perhaps geekyness, i've started a log book of each class i teach - with lesson plan/synopsis, and then an evaluation afterwards. Will help me keep on track, and also prove I am doing something in class. It's also good practice for when i start teaching back home, as i have to do that anyway. One good thing about this year here, is that i'll soon be able to write somewhat legibly on the white board. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| kimcheeking wrote: |
Pretty good so far, 28 out of 36 consider themselves real teachers. of those 28, 17 are qualified teachers. Impressive.
or is it, probably the backpackers don't read this forum - or if they do dont' care or post. |
Also, I've worked with teachers who play hangman and scrabble five days a week, but honestly believe themselves to be 'real teachers' prattling on about the excellent pedagogical aims of their crappy lessons. Also, you get those guys who photocopy any rubbish from the Korea Herald or whatnot 5 minutes before the lesson and then go on about what wonderful teachers they are. It's amazing the lengths people go to to justify themselves. So, in that top 28, I would suspect that there are at least one or two that aren't all they believe themselves to be. |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Good point butterfly. It's been awhile since I worked in a hogwan, so my memory is faint. Luckily at my university all the teachers are top-notch... I may even go so far as to say the best in Korea.
Unfortuneately the pay is crap!... in the meeting today we were told about a pay raise, but it's not until next March- honestly what's the point. Don't tease us... |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| kimcheeking wrote: |
Good point butterfly. It's been awhile since I worked in a hogwan, so my memory is faint. Luckily at my university all the teachers are top-notch... I may even go so far as to say the best in Korea.
Unfortuneately the pay is crap!... in the meeting today we were told about a pay raise, but it's not until next March- honestly what's the point. Don't tease us... |
Yeah, it's like "Here is a carrot...but you get it in 11 months".
That's why I am happy in Hagwons. All I have to do is entertain, sing, dance, and havea gay 'ol time. |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Yeah, it's like "Here is a carrot...but you get it in 11 months".
That's why I am happy in Hagwons. All I have to do is entertain, sing, dance, and havea gay 'ol time. |
yeah but do you get 16 weeks of paid vacation? do you get personal satisfaction from doing quality teaching? do you have motivated students that are rarely absent or late? |
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rudyflyer

Joined: 26 Feb 2003 Location: pacing the cage
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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yeah but do you get 16 weeks of paid vacation? do you get personal satisfaction from doing quality teaching? do you have motivated students that are rarely absent or late? |
I get the 16 weeks of vacation plus a day off/week, but motivated students? not here. I get students mocking me in class, use their cell phones in class after repeated warnings in English and Korean, come in late, can't say "my name is..." ,cheat like there is no tomorrow, don't do their work, some who show up for the first time during the 5th week of class with no excuse, I could go on.
that what differentiates a top level uni you are at KK and lower tier ones.
At least I'm not bothered by the admin about pleasing students just teach the book give the standardized midterm. Also any hogwon work or summer work I do gets compensated at 40k/hour. |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| rudyflyer wrote: |
I get the 16 weeks of vacation plus a day off/week, but motivated students? not here. I get students mocking me in class, use their cell phones in class after repeated warnings in English and Korean, come in late, can't say "my name is..." ,cheat like there is no tomorrow, don't do their work, some who show up for the first time during the 5th week of class with no excuse, I could go on.
that what differentiates a top level uni you are at KK and lower tier ones.
At least I'm not bothered by the admin about pleasing students just teach the book give the standardized midterm. Also any hogwon work or summer work I do gets compensated at 40k/hour. |
top-level I think not, but rules are strickly enforced. At least you get o/t for your vacation classes. Vacation classes are mandatory- but are considered part of our base salary, only if we go over 20hrs/wk do we get o/t.
I think I would lose it if my students were doing what yours are.... |
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mokpochica

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'm certified to teach Spanish in the US, but I find teaching here to be a different experience than at home because of both the students and the situation I teach in (a junior high where I see the majority of my kids only once a week).
The director of the teaching program I came to Korean on told us, "those of you who are teachers are going to have a tougher time adjusting to the Korean school system than those who have no qualifications." I see what he meant by this statement, although I don't totally agree with him. I have adopted some 'Korean teacher' characteristic in my lesson planning(which was hard at first), but I still use ideas that I picked up from my teaching programs too.
Regardless I think that most learning about teaching happens on the job. I had a pretty useless student teaching experience and what seemed like a bunch of theory and no practice during my undergrad teaching instuction. I've felt like I learned the most when I taught Spanish at a school with great foreign language teachers, here in Korea managing large classes and finding ways to use only English with students who are pretty low level. Additionally, I have learned a lot from my Master's program in Teaching (Spanish) a foreign language. Although I've never had any formal ESL training, I find that the methods for teaching any foreign language are basically the same--especially now that the ideal is to teach foreign languages only in the target language. |
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rudyflyer

Joined: 26 Feb 2003 Location: pacing the cage
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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top-level I think not, but rules are strickly enforced. At least you get o/t for your vacation classes. Vacation classes are mandatory- but are considered part of our base salary, only if we go over 20hrs/wk do we get o/t.
I think I would lose it if my students were doing what yours are.... |
yeah you do get close to losing it. This year it has gotten really bad, can't get through a day without tossing a student. Other teachers here, many who are top notch are having the same problems I am.
How do I stay sane? The net, radio margaritiaville, planning our next vacation, looking at how our debts are shrinking and savings go up remind me here we can do these things while in the states we'd be lucky to spend a weekend at South Padre Island once a year
Next year though it may be time to look for another univ here |
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mongrel
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:24 pm Post subject: real teachers |
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| Real teachers? Not really relevant. I'm currently 'teaching' a computer class. We have an activity day on friday, videos and computers. Btw., eamo, did you realise your avatar is Alan Patridge? |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:38 pm Post subject: Yeah |
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| kimcheeking wrote: |
Good point butterfly. It's been awhile since I worked in a hogwan, so my memory is faint. Luckily at my university all the teachers are top-notch... I may even go so far as to say the best in Korea.
Unfortuneately the pay is crap!... in the meeting today we were told about a pay raise, but it's not until next March- honestly what's the point. Don't tease us... |
Well doesn't it allow you lots of free time to do other stuff and make money? I envy you that. I get paid commission on my re-registration so I'm very happy with my money, but I could be making more if I had the free time you do. I mean there is loads of extra work you can do isn't there ~ privates, proof-reading?
I've often though of making the leap, but wondered if it isn't better the devil you know.
There are now actually really good teachers at my school, really professional and what I like about working in the private language school is the different stuff you get to do like business english, and various ESP stuff where you can really help the students get some useful language skills.
Those bad old school teachers are pretty much on their way out in Korea though wouldn't you say? I recently ran into one of our old teachers (sharp dressed ladies man) who got fired for crappy teaching, he's now working in some tiny kiddie hakwon in a little town somewhere in Cholla-do, which is okay, but it's not where he wants to be. They've been marginalized more and more, so it's gotten harder for them to find work here as the Korean consumer has become more discerning, especially in Seoul. Anyhow, I had thought that one of the lairs of the bum teachers was the University (ideal job for a bum with those hours) so its good to hear from you that the work at least at your university is good and professional. |
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