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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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 Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Fortunately I was able to leave Korea but with a Korean wife and daughter I still have to visit. I am immdiately put in my place by having to separate from my wife and daughter at immigration despite holding permanent residency here. In Australia my wife could use the Australia Citizen's line even on tourist entry because she's family. It's made perfectly clear to me here that I am not. My wife's Korean family register makes her look like a single mother of a bastard because my name only appears typed on the bottom if I request it each time. |
I've lined up in the Korean line ever since I've received my F5 - 8 years or so back. Never once had an issue, and have travelled in and out over a dozen times.
It can be done, big fella. |
Not at Gimhae Airport, 4 attempts, 4 strikes including being yelled at and spoken to extremely rudely on my most recent attempt and being forced to take my Korean daughter I was nursing through the foreigners line with me during the first attempt while my wife was directed to the Korean line. My point is it shouldn't be discretionary on how Nazi sorry 민족주의 the immigration official is.
The reason that Korea needs an anti-discrimination bill is not all of Korea is as advanced or enlightened as Seoul is. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Korean racists don't bother me at all. While I don't condone racism, I appreciate their honesty. |
Yeah, I much prefer Korean "racism". Suspicion of those who are different exists, no need to add dishonesty too it. |
You forgot to add 'hatred and irrational fear' after the word 'suspicion'. And maybe you could substitute ' those who are' for 'everything that is' and 'in korea' after 'exists'? - done! |
Yeah I was going to add "suspicion, which sometimes elevates to hatred and irrational fear", but I like to keep my posts short. 
It was an attempt at not using the word racism, which I view as a silly word/concept. As I mentioned before, the larger thing happening here is human's tribal nature. Demonizing human nature is a pointless pursuit. Awareness of our nature is enlightenment, which is the best we can achieve. |
Demonizing human nature is a pointless pursuit. And yet, you continue to demonize. That is also a characteristic of human nature: hypocrisy and contradiction. I do it, too. |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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I get the feeling that some here on this board would prefer Korean racists be two faced.
They have accepted their hatred. I respect people who are true to themselves. |
So you're down with lynching? That's honest racism. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| Fortunately I was able to leave Korea but with a Korean wife and daughter I still have to visit. I am immdiately put in my place by having to separate from my wife and daughter at immigration despite holding permanent residency here. In Australia my wife could use the Australia Citizen's line even on tourist entry because she's family. It's made perfectly clear to me here that I am not. My wife's Korean family register makes her look like a single mother of a bastard because my name only appears typed on the bottom if I request it each time. |
I've lined up in the Korean line ever since I've received my F5 - 8 years or so back. Never once had an issue, and have travelled in and out over a dozen times.
It can be done, big fella. |
Not at Gimhae Airport, 4 attempts, 4 strikes including being yelled at and spoken to extremely rudely on my most recent attempt and being forced to take my Korean daughter I was nursing through the foreigners line with me during the first attempt while my wife was directed to the Korean line. My point is it shouldn't be discretionary on how Nazi sorry 민족주의 the immigration official is.
The reason that Korea needs an anti-discrimination bill is not all of Korea is as advanced or enlightened as Seoul is. |
Is that an international airport?
I've only flown in and out of Incheon. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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^^Yes it's international. A lot of Busan area people fly from there to Narita then onwards. That's how I fly too.
I have never tried using the "Korean" line but I totally believe BigFellas story. Often when I hear opinions on racism or xenophobia by Seoulites I feel they're living in another country.
And the Busan "immigration" office is terrible too. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| Fortunately I was able to leave Korea but with a Korean wife and daughter I still have to visit. I am immdiately put in my place by having to separate from my wife and daughter at immigration despite holding permanent residency here. In Australia my wife could use the Australia Citizen's line even on tourist entry because she's family. It's made perfectly clear to me here that I am not. My wife's Korean family register makes her look like a single mother of a bastard because my name only appears typed on the bottom if I request it each time. |
I've lined up in the Korean line ever since I've received my F5 - 8 years or so back. Never once had an issue, and have travelled in and out over a dozen times.
It can be done, big fella. |
Not at Gimhae Airport, 4 attempts, 4 strikes including being yelled at and spoken to extremely rudely on my most recent attempt and being forced to take my Korean daughter I was nursing through the foreigners line with me during the first attempt while my wife was directed to the Korean line. My point is it shouldn't be discretionary on how Nazi sorry 민족주의 the immigration official is.
The reason that Korea needs an anti-discrimination bill is not all of Korea is as advanced or enlightened as Seoul is. |
Is that an international airport?
I've only flown in and out of Incheon. |
Yes, Gimhae is international.
I too admire Koreans honesty. These are two separate conversations I had yesterday in class;
Conversation number 1;
Me- How do you think Korean culture has changed in the past 20 years?
Korean man - I think weve become open minded. I told my son he can marry a foreigner, as long as she isn't black or Muslim.
Me - why black or Muslim?
Korean man - Well Muslims for what they believe and black women because the babies come out a strange colour.
Conversation number 2;
(talking about mining in the congo/sweat shops/wasting resources etc.)
Korean man 2 - ...I am happy, because, there is no discrimination in korea against foreigners.
Me - There are lots of instances, actually. For example (I gave a couple).
Korean man 2 - No! That isnt true! Koreans are very kind - everyone knows this! Why did I not see this on TV then?
Me - And moving along... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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All I know about Gimhae us that when I flew there I had to walk down the roll up stairs like it was the 1960s-1980s. I was half expecting Weird Al Yankovic to be behind me.
I didnt fly international so I dont know how the facilities are. Maybe they do that to expedite processing because their facilities are more limited. |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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not really racism, but does anyone else get annoyed by just about every random adjossi using banmal when talking to you.
Security guard, taxi driver, store clerk etc.
Yesterday I went to my afterschool program. The security guard greeted a couple teachers ahead of me with an " 안녕하세요!" he then looked right at me and said"어디가?" I replied 영어교실 가세요. He grunted "어떻게?"
I told him 저는 방과후 영어 강사 입니다. (I am an Afterschool English teacher).
I asked him not to speak 반말 to me, and he looked at me like I had two heads.
In this guys mind, the foreign teachers deserve about as much respect as the elementary students at the school. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| DaeguNL wrote: |
not really racism, but does anyone else get annoyed by just about every random adjossi using banmal when talking to you.
Security guard, taxi driver, store clerk etc.
Yesterday I went to my afterschool program. The security guard greeted a couple teachers ahead of me with an " 안녕하세요!" he then looked right at me and said"어디가?" I replied 영어교실 가세요. He grunted "어떻게?"
I told him 저는 방과후 영어 강사 입니다. (I am an Afterschool English teacher).
I asked him not to speak 반말 to me, and he looked at me like I had two heads.
In this guys mind, the foreign teachers deserve about as much respect as the elementary students at the school. |
A co-teacher did that to me last week. I asked her how old she was and then reminded her I am ten years her senior.
In my op., they know exactly what they are doing and use it as a passive insult.
Kids get it quick enough if you say 'sorry?' - so I dont see how adults cant... |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| DaeguNL wrote: |
not really racism, but does anyone else get annoyed by just about every random adjossi using banmal when talking to you.
Security guard, taxi driver, store clerk etc.
Yesterday I went to my afterschool program. The security guard greeted a couple teachers ahead of me with an " 안녕하세요!" he then looked right at me and said"어디가?" I replied 영어교실 가세요. He grunted "어떻게?"
I told him 저는 방과후 영어 강사 입니다. (I am an Afterschool English teacher).
I asked him not to speak 반말 to me, and he looked at me like I had two heads.
In this guys mind, the foreign teachers deserve about as much respect as the elementary students at the school. |
Old people speak informally to younger Koreans as well. I see it all the time. When I ask my Korean friends why that guy spoke informally to you, they just say because he or she is older. Some get angry about it. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
| Demonizing human nature is a pointless pursuit. And yet, you continue to demonize. That is also a characteristic of human nature: hypocrisy and contradiction. I do it, too. |
You must have misread, I'm the only one on the thread not demonizing human's tribal nature. I accept it. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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That one is a tough one. Most security peons here are pensioners without a pension. But in terms of job status, they are far far below a teacher, even an ESL foreign teacher.
I'd just answer him in Korean or tell him 아저씨 일이나 잘해
| optik404 wrote: |
| DaeguNL wrote: |
not really racism, but does anyone else get annoyed by just about every random adjossi using banmal when talking to you.
Security guard, taxi driver, store clerk etc.
Yesterday I went to my afterschool program. The security guard greeted a couple teachers ahead of me with an " 안녕하세요!" he then looked right at me and said"어디가?" I replied 영어교실 가세요. He grunted "어떻게?"
I told him 저는 방과후 영어 강사 입니다. (I am an Afterschool English teacher).
I asked him not to speak 반말 to me, and he looked at me like I had two heads.
In this guys mind, the foreign teachers deserve about as much respect as the elementary students at the school. |
Old people speak informally to younger Koreans as well. I see it all the time. When I ask my Korean friends why that guy spoke informally to you, they just say because he or she is older. Some get angry about it. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
| Demonizing human nature is a pointless pursuit. And yet, you continue to demonize. That is also a characteristic of human nature: hypocrisy and contradiction. I do it, too. |
"We have found the enemy! It is us". |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| DaeguNL wrote: |
not really racism, but does anyone else get annoyed by just about every random adjossi using banmal when talking to you.
Security guard, taxi driver, store clerk etc.
Yesterday I went to my afterschool program. The security guard greeted a couple teachers ahead of me with an " 안녕하세요!" he then looked right at me and said"어디가?" I replied 영어교실 가세요. He grunted "어떻게?"
I told him 저는 방과후 영어 강사 입니다. (I am an Afterschool English teacher).
I asked him not to speak 반말 to me, and he looked at me like I had two heads.
In this guys mind, the foreign teachers deserve about as much respect as the elementary students at the school. |
A co-teacher did that to me last week. I asked her how old she was and then reminded her I am ten years her senior.
In my op., they know exactly what they are doing and use it as a passive insult.
Kids get it quick enough if you say 'sorry?' - so I dont see how adults cant... |
Yes and no. Sometimes it is disrespectful and other times not. I think the tone of voice is important. |
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