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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
peppermint wrote:
I'm beginning to get a solid understanding of why there are such issues with English here.

The curriculum for elementary school kids is downright terrible. For the first year, they are only supposed to listen or if they have to be taught to speak, it's purely rote. With that as the foundation- I'm surprised anyone can speak English


BRILLIANT Pepermint!!! I work in a public elementary school as well and I'm glad SOMEBODY out there besides me can see how much of a joke the Korean English curriculum it is at that level! Will these darn education bureaucrats EVER wake up and smell the Kimchee?

By the way. didn't I say something a little bit nasty to you a while back over something stupid and insignificant? sorry about that. I was way out of line. I just never got around to apologizing Embarassed


Love is in the air, everytime I look around.......
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
True, I realize that they probably weren't trying to be malicious about it or anything, but don't you find it fustrating at times when you are trying to practice Korean for practicial purposes and certain people automatically refuse to let you demonstate your ablilites?


Get over it already, like there aren't a thousand other people you can practice Korean with any time you want.
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
BRILLIANT Pepermint!!! I work in a public elementary school as well and I'm glad SOMEBODY out there besides me can see how much of a joke the Korean English curriculum it is at that level! Will these darn education bureaucrats EVER wake up and smell the Kimchee?


[rant mode on]Ask almost any Korean and they'll all agree the education system sucks in that they never get any speaking practice. I'll say one thing for learning by rote though - it's great for vocabulary and it's pretty hard to speak a language when you have a vocabulary of less than a 1,000 words.

Since you're in on the public school system maybe you can tell me: is there some Korean teacher somewhere teaching all the kids that English sentences always go noun is verb? 10 weeks of teaching kids 'He gets up in the morning', 'She likes cookies', 'I can swim', 'They are playing', all seeeeeemed to go smoothly and then, come test time, what do you get? 'He is get up', 'She is like cookie', 'They is play' and suchlike.

By the way, this goes for kids of all levels. There are kids who know what mitochondria is who still talk in this same way.

I'd like to sit them down and explain it to them - that seems to be the point of being a teacher after all - but I don't know how.

Actually I believe this is partly due to first language interference and partly due to kids having less ability to learn abstract concepts and partly due to the lack in English of clearly distinguishable grammatical forms for distinct grammatical concepts. But it's still frustrating as hell.[rant mode off] Rolling Eyes Confused
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys...
Lets not turn what could be an education topic into a Korean-bashing one.

I'd like to know techniques and Mithridates is my godsend.
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carcerate



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Location: Cerritos, California

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is always good to just speak Korean at all times. Even if the other party speaks in English, just answer back in Korean. Since you cannot control others, let them practice their English with you. Since you understand English, it shouldn't be such a big deal. If you just practice Korean all of the time, you will be alright.

Also, I disagree with the statement that Korean is not useful outside of Korea. Just you don't need Korean outside of Korea but it definitely can be used. I have lived in LA from (2001-currently) and I use Korean almost everyday. If I don't speak any Korean in one day, I at least write an e-mail in Korean,or read an article in Korean. It is not about the place you are in, but it is about what you surround yourself in when living your life. So even though I am in California, I can practice, use and listen to Korean because that is what I choose. That is why the internet is such a wonderful invention!
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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to techniques....

You have to train yourself to say something even though you think you might be making mistakes. The best learners of languages aren't afraid to come off sounding like a five-year-old because they have a deep desire to communicate. You can't wait until you're 100% sure before you say something.

That's a pretty high-falutin' speech from a newbie, but that's what I've come to learn since attempting to learn Korean.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carcerate wrote:
It is always good to just speak Korean at all times.

I do this. Even if i order something from an English person I'll always run through my head what is said in Korean.

When i look at just random things I'll say the sentance in Korean.

Like this is a watch (�̰��� �ð��Դϴ�) or i want to eat pizza (���ڸ� �԰��ͽ��ϴ�).

Very basic i know, but if you use the same form in many different situations it clicks a lot quicker.

My Korean is better than that Smile but just using the basic structures eveyday encourages my fluency.

BTW,
When people go whats the point of learning Korean, i will never use it outside of here, while a valid one is mostly a cover in a lot of people cases for laziness. Thats just what i have experienced since I have been here.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are doing a good job kangnam -mod - dragon Wink
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Flex Bulkchest



Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Location: currently?...I don't know it's a room, with a computer....

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

such and issue that's plagued us for a while, but maybe it's a little seoul-centered...move to the country...now try finding someone who will speak english with you Very Happy

i spent a good part of my life in french canada, and i know if i came across an english person trying to speak french, i'd switch to english just as a courtesy, want them to feel comfortable, there's also a certain amount of pride in it. look how happy we are when we can conduct our business in korean, i think they're probably just as content when they can respond in english.

living in a foreign language, �������� �� �׷�����, ��
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johnriley007



Joined: 25 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i didn't couldn't learn any korean while i was teaching english. it was just too hard being a hagwon slave to have any energy left to learn korean. also, it really helps to be in a good language program (like one of the universities) that meets EVERYDAY. unless you're really great at learning languages, i wouldn't expect to learn that much beyond a few key phrases while working at a hagwon. do yourself a favor, and just try to do one thing at a time. studying korean and teaching english full-time is really, really difficult, if not impossible. Laughing
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very happy...


I've been studying Korean out of some textbooks that I've had for several months now, but it's painfully slow. And I'm slow at languages anyway (8 years to have a basic conversation in Spanish)...

But this week, I'm going to start getting private tutoring from a friend that is not only perfectly fluent in English, but is also a really good teacher. So, I hope that this will help me start picking up the language more easily. I'd love to be able to speak Korean.

On a side note, my reading is getting really good, even when I don't know what I'm reading. I started out just reading signs from the bus (to improve my speed), but lately, I've been going to the noraebang with many Korean friends. And I could keep up with the slow Korean love ballads, but now I'm gettin' good enough I can sing the fast songs. And it's a fun way to study cause I'm learning to read more quickly and my Korean friends love it when I sing Korean.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:55 am    Post subject: Korean Language Acclimatization Reply with quote

Hi,
I studied Korean a loooong time. At Uni before I went to K.
I'm somewhat what's the word, kind of slow and clumsy in speech, a____
anyway, in the fourth year it just clicked into place. All I had read, all the grammar, spelling, syntax, clicked in.
I think because the syntax is different from Western languages, it gives some confusion initially, but then it clicks as you start dreaming and thinking your pre-speech stuff in the target language.....
But, it takes disclipline to get good. You have to use a notebook and practice spelling the same word 50 times, and read texts over and over tring to remember the words. You should go to school and have tutoring.
People tell me I'm good, but I was once a moron you see, and now I converse. On all topics.
Since 1994 I studied. But not consistent mind. And there are cats out there who speak like Ajossis at the Noryangjin markets.
But, me mother in law loves me and I talk to to the local cops, down and outs, and ajumas in the vicinity of me old man's pudongsan. They get to know you, you see?

I'm living in New Zealand now and hate the place. All a legal rip off. Migrants getting screwed here left right and centre just for the privaledge of living where the bloody Hobbit did.
And there is NO service.
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thebum



Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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korean is useless outside of the country


It's very useful to me in Minnesota. We don't have as many Koreans as L.A., but there are quite a few in the metropolitan area around here and at my university. (I consider my Korean intermediate-level; I've been studying it for almost 2 years.)

Quote:
even inside since people like taxi drivers dont understand/listen to what we are saying anyways


This isn't any different than foreigners who come to the U.S.A. and can't speak English well or at all. What the hell do you expect?
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