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The end of the golden age of English-teaching?
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cmxc



Joined: 19 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:26 am    Post subject: The end of the golden age of English-teaching? Reply with quote

Is this the end of English-teaching golden age?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2014/09/162_164794.html

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There were teachers who assimilated to Korea, learned the language, understood the culture and studied the history. These people were my favorites. I would spend hours with them discussing the nuances of the Korean language, the tragedies and joys of Korean history, the intricacies of Hanja and the hours spent studying Korea.

Unfortunately, despite these educators' best attempts to learn and immerse themselves in the culture, their knowledge and education were not in demand. They did not get preferential treatment, and often they were passed over for promotions or asked to hide their knowledge of the Korean language and culture from their students.


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Then there were the despicable ones who complained about everything. Some were racist, claiming Koreans were an inferior race. Others stated they liked Korea "because there were no minorities," yet did not eat Korean food and simply depended on fast food to survive.

Others spent hours on social media demonizing everything about Korea, calling it a racist country, while these same people argued that Martin Luther King Day should not be a holiday in their country. Fortunately these people were a tiny minority, but unfortunately they were very vocal.
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jazzmaster



Joined: 30 Sep 2013

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: The end of the golden age of English-teaching? Reply with quote

cmxc wrote:
Is this the end of English-teaching golden age?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2014/09/162_164794.html

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There were teachers who assimilated to Korea, learned the language, understood the culture and studied the history. These people were my favorites. I would spend hours with them discussing the nuances of the Korean language, the tragedies and joys of Korean history, the intricacies of Hanja and the hours spent studying Korea.

Unfortunately, despite these educators' best attempts to learn and immerse themselves in the culture, their knowledge and education were not in demand. They did not get preferential treatment, and often they were passed over for promotions or asked to hide their knowledge of the Korean language and culture from their students.


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Then there were the despicable ones who complained about everything. Some were racist, claiming Koreans were an inferior race. Others stated they liked Korea "because there were no minorities," yet did not eat Korean food and simply depended on fast food to survive.

Others spent hours on social media demonizing everything about Korea, calling it a racist country, while these same people argued that Martin Luther King Day should not be a holiday in their country. Fortunately these people were a tiny minority, but unfortunately they were very vocal.


More of the usual dross from the KH. How not eating Korean food relates to liking Korea is beyond me. This is a Phd candidate, yet he's spouting shite like that.
Perhaps people don't eat Korean food because they have food allergies, resulting in them having to take drugs four times a day.

The boy's a fuckwit.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there were the despicable ones who complained about everything. Some were racist, claiming Koreans were an inferior race. Others stated they liked Korea "because there were no minorities," yet did not eat Korean food and simply depended on fast food to survive.

Others spent hours on social media demonizing everything about Korea, calling it a racist country, while these same people argued that Martin Luther King Day should not be a holiday in their country. Fortunately these people were a tiny minority, but unfortunately they were very vocal.


Hey wait, is he talking about you guys?? Idea
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coralreefer_1



Joined: 19 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont often comment on such things, but in this case I just cant help myself.


The "golden age" spoken of is little more than an age when FOB college kids could party their way through a year or so and find jobs as easily as I can find kimbab in the neighborhood. In short, this golden age was an age when Korean families were pretty much forced to spend tons of money for English education for bottom of the barrel teachers.

It was a golden age of rape and pillage of the Korean ESL market by a good portion of people whom might be better associated as marauding vikings than English teachers.

I personally have no sympathy if Jane from Buckwheat University with her Art degree, whom cannot find a dream job in the city she most wants to be in. Welcome to the real world Smile
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are fewer jobs around in TEFL in Korea these days and conditions have got worse. He's into Korean culture and likes people who have the same interests, he doesn't like hypocrites and moaners. I think that's about it from the PHD student.
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coralreefer_1



Joined: 19 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would put out there though, that conditions haven't actually gotten "worse" except for those who have no qualifications or no interest in learning the language/getting with the program that is ESL in Korea.


I have more than a few friends whom have grown (some exponentially) in terms of base income/benefits/allowances to work outside of their main employer..etc. The important thing to note with such people is that they carry teaching certifications from back home, have a Masters in ESL, or in other ways are contributing to the industry via research or other projects.

I think conditions have only gotten "worse", for those on the bottom end whom are either FOB, or otherwise see ESL as something to do as a means to finance there vacations across Asia, with little to no real interest or ties to the country or the industry.

So with the above in mind, if we are to speak of an "end" to a "golden age"..I can only image a few possibilities.

1. End of the golden age when bums and packpackers could get the same jobs as those whom might be new, but at least make an effort to prepare themselves/learn/improve their ability.

2. End of the age where the difference between what I would term a "professional" teacher (the ones whom hold, or otherwise are pursuing certifications or degrees) enjoy the distinction between themselves and the types mention in #1., and see the benefits of that (There are more people out there that are serious about the profession, or at least see the value of putting in the effort to get certified)
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please learn the use of "whom." Butchered four times in the above post talking about qualifications & professionalism.

Rarely needed & best avoided.
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coralreefer_1



Joined: 19 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Please learn the use of "whom." Butchered four times in the above post talking about qualifications & professionalism.

Rarely needed & best avoided.


Point taken, but note that I am not an English teacher and do not make my living as such.
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This, again, this week?!?

My boss is offering me 2.5/2.6 for about 25 a week (with a bit of creative bit of moving around, whew) for my new contract, because I work hard, and proved myself I can do the work. It may end next year or not. For me, I think we need people who have less Celta and more business sense. I still think Korea has a lot of good opportunity.

For a bit of hussle, youd be surprised. I know one guy (with good credentials) teaching pronunciation through the history of pop music. Really. A bit envious on that.

But yes, it ended long time again for backpackers/alcoholic millennials who come here, do a crappy job, and mess around. My schools letting two go today, actually.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008