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Yet Another Problem With Recruiters?

 
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wonkavite62



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:14 pm    Post subject: Yet Another Problem With Recruiters? Reply with quote

This might be a future trend in how recruiters interview people for jobs in South Korea:

RECRUITER: Hi, Michael, how are you?
TEACHER:    I'm fine, thank you, and you?
RECRUITER: We would like to ask you some questions about how you will adjust to Korea. This interview is for a job at FUN English Village, a government hagwon in Gyeonggi Do.
TEACHER: Yes, I know, I've done my research and that's why I am applying for this job.
RECRUITER: Interesting. The school would like to know if you've been to Korea before.
TEACHER: I've been here for seven years. So I know Korea quite well.
RECRUITER: And do you have references?
TEACHER(wondering if the recruiter has even read his resume ):    I've got written references that cover all of that time, all seven years.
RECRUITER: I see. Michael, can you eat spicy food? Meals are provided but Korean food only.  Are you allergic to kimchi?
TEACHER: I wouldn't say that I'm allergic to it. I can eat kimchi all right. I make my own kimchi at home.
RECRUITER: Are you, or have you ever been, a functioning alcoholic?
TEACHER(lying through his teeth): I only ever drink small quantities of weak beer. So no, I'm not an alcoholic.
RECRUITER: This is a Christian school. We are highly religious, and we like to recruit only Christian teachers. Michael, are you a Christian?
TEACHER: Yes, I am, actually. I have been baptised and confirmed, in fact I have my baptismal and confirmation certificates to prove it. You can check. I have already e-mailed them to you.
RECRUITER: Michael you're single, right? Why aren't you married at your age? It's important-the school director wants to know why.
TEACHER: I'm not single, I'm ANNULLED. I went to the Vatican and got my marriage annulled, because my wife was an Iraqi terrorist in disguise. Pope Francis did it for me. I had the marriage cancelled so to speak.
RECRUITER( trying not to sound too disappointed): Oh, I see. And this is very important-do you have your apostilled criminal record check? No apostille, no job in Korea.
TEACHER: Yes apostille, yes job! I have that document, and it's still good.
RECRUITER: And do you have an apostilled notarized (spelt with a zee), diploma?
TEACHER:   Of course.
RECRUITER(now somewhat desperate): And do you have an apostilled copy of your birth certificate? Most schools don't require it. But this school does.
TEACHER: Yes, I do. In fact I went further. I'm so organized (spelt with a zee), that I went and apostilled my baptismal certificate too! I did that when I was at the Vatican. And I got an apostille for my confirmation certificate, and for all my written reference letters. Heck, I even apostilled the 2-minute video presentation that Gyeonggi Do now insists that we do. How's that for professionalism?
RECRUITER(clutching at straws now): Michael, where were you born?
TEACHER: I was born in the British Isles. I have all the paperwork and a British passport...
RECRUITER: Yeah, yeah, yeah!  have heard that one before. You're from Scotland, right? Now that Scotland is independent, you have to use a Scottish passport. So you can't work in Korea! GOTCHA! GOTCHA! So there! Another one bites the dust! At last.
RECRUITER(turning to her long-suffering assistant after rudely hanging up): Another failure! We've been going on like this for months and we can string it out some more, because this school pays us to look for people even when we don't find them. It's just too bad there are so many bad teachers out there. We need to tighten up immigration rules some more (sounding melodramatic).

IF Scotland won its independence, could this be yet another reason for hagwons to turn teachersdown? I would appreciate your reactions to this, even if the result is that Scotland has voted AGAINST independence this time.
I wrote the dialogue with Scotland in mind, but I am also aware of how much bias there is in the Korean EFL industry. Schools in some locations have a sense of pride shading into arrogance about their location and will stop at nothing to exclude applicants. As a Scot myself, I find the biggest hurdle to getting a job in Seoul is most hagwons' insistance on North Americans only in Seoul, even though 7 different nationalities can apply. But it's more than that. Right now, even Americans are having some difficulty in breaking into Korea, and certainly into Seoul.
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, but sort of opposite of the experience I have had. Recruiters are paid to place teachers. Why would this imaginary recruiter refuse someone who is qualified?
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wonkavite62



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:46 am    Post subject: Hi Reply with quote

I was trying to satirise the increasing length that recruiters will go through to discriminate and exclude people from jobs in Korea. It just seems to get worse every year, the supply of young inexperienced teachers goes up, and the number of posts available goes down, so it's really as if recruiters are being paid whether they actually hire people or not. I was trying to use humour as well. Because the paperwork required to get a public school job, and the difficulty in getting into some hagwons make the whole business ridiculous, and if it gets any worse it will be so bad it will actually be hilarious.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:16 am    Post subject: Re: Hi Reply with quote

wonkavite62 wrote:
I was trying to satirise the increasing length that recruiters will go through to discriminate and exclude people from jobs in Korea.


Dude, going from "When can you start?" to "May I see a copy of your degree?" or "Do you have any experience teaching?" isn't exactly discriminating and excluding.

Don't confuse the utter anarchy before and people actually bothering to slightly vet someone as some sort of exclusionary discrimination.

Also, don't confuse questions that make sure the person is properly prepared with "Discrimination". What, if you had your own company and were about to hire people to go open up a Bennigan's in Qatar, you wouldn't vet them a little?

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Because the paperwork required to get a public school job, and the difficulty in getting into some hagwons make the whole business ridiculous, and if it gets any worse it will be so bad it will actually be hilarious.


Oh please, the apostille thing is a bit ridiculous, but overall its relatively painless.
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: Hi Reply with quote

OP, please stop. I find myself agreeing with Steelrails. I hate that.


Steelrails wrote:
wonkavite62 wrote:
I was trying to satirise the increasing length that recruiters will go through to discriminate and exclude people from jobs in Korea.


Dude, going from "When can you start?" to "May I see a copy of your degree?" or "Do you have any experience teaching?" isn't exactly discriminating and excluding.

Don't confuse the utter anarchy before and people actually bothering to slightly vet someone as some sort of exclusionary discrimination.

Also, don't confuse questions that make sure the person is properly prepared with "Discrimination". What, if you had your own company and were about to hire people to go open up a Bennigan's in Qatar, you wouldn't vet them a little?

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Because the paperwork required to get a public school job, and the difficulty in getting into some hagwons make the whole business ridiculous, and if it gets any worse it will be so bad it will actually be hilarious.


Oh please, the apostille thing is a bit ridiculous, but overall its relatively painless.
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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because the paperwork required to get a public school job, and the difficulty in getting into some hagwons make the whole business ridiculous, and if it gets any worse it will be so bad it will actually be hilarious.


People who complain about the hoops that need to be jumped through to work in Korea have never had a look at the requirements that foreigners face to go to their countries. Even to get a tourist visa to the US or Canada, the process is ridiculous, requiring hundreds of dollars, in person interviews, dozens of official forms, payments sent from specific banks, and several notarized documents. I'm sure they have also never worked in Latin America or Eastern Europe, where bureaucracy is at its finest!

I've applied for either work or student visas in 4 countries, and helped my husband apply for a tourist visa for my home country, honestly the process for Korea has been the easiest, by miles.
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GEOM



Joined: 04 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters are inept at their jobs. I've had so many recruiters contact me, but none of them even read my work history. Rolling Eyes
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same case. Some years ago, my schedule was packed tight except for TTh mornings and TThF evenings. I posted that specifically in the post. I also posted in the title my nationality.

Guess what questions the recruiters asked first?

GEOM wrote:
Recruiters are inept at their jobs. I've had so many recruiters contact me, but none of them even read my work history. Rolling Eyes
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GEOM



Joined: 04 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cave Dweller wrote:
Same case. Some years ago, my schedule was packed tight except for TTh mornings and TThF evenings. I posted that specifically in the post. I also posted in the title my nationality.

Guess what questions the recruiters asked first?

GEOM wrote:
Recruiters are inept at their jobs. I've had so many recruiters contact me, but none of them even read my work history. Rolling Eyes


What's your nationality? And when are you free?

If Korean corporate HR is anything like hagwon recruiters, I can see why so many young people here have difficulty finding jobs.

I've seen so many cases of highly qualified Koreans (I thought they were kyopos) being passed over to less qualified people who can barely speak engrish for overseas marketing and overseas sales positions. I have a theory that HR don't even bother reading people's resumes, they just put everyone who's graduated from 4-year colleges into one pile and pick it out randomly.
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ChrisPK



Joined: 07 Aug 2014

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GEOM wrote:
Cave Dweller wrote:
Same case. Some years ago, my schedule was packed tight except for TTh mornings and TThF evenings. I posted that specifically in the post. I also posted in the title my nationality.

Guess what questions the recruiters asked first?

GEOM wrote:
Recruiters are inept at their jobs. I've had so many recruiters contact me, but none of them even read my work history. Rolling Eyes


What's your nationality? And when are you free?

If Korean corporate HR is anything like hagwon recruiters, I can see why so many young people here have difficulty finding jobs.

I've seen so many cases of highly qualified Koreans (I thought they were kyopos) being passed over to less qualified people who can barely speak engrish for overseas marketing and overseas sales positions. I have a theory that HR don't even bother reading people's resumes, they just put everyone who's graduated from 4-year colleges into one pile and pick it out randomly.
Recruiters are tired of all these losers coming from North America, so they don't even bother to read your resumes.
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