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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| zappadelta wrote: |
| He's gonna have some sex. |
hell yeah he is, good bank, good job, probably a snappy dresser, young...
hell yeah he is |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. lawyer youngest to teach in SNU |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
U.S. lawyer youngest to teach in SNU
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/01/20/200901200012.asp
A U.S. lawyer is to become the youngest professor in the history of Seoul National University.
The 27-year-old John M. Leitner will teach law from as early as the spring semester, SNU officials said yesterday.
The school picked Leitner as a fulltime lecturer from among two final candidates after reviewing the resumes of 27 applicants for the foreign professor job in the law department.
He will break the record set by Kim Hyun-jin of the College of Engineering, who became the youngest professor in the school's history in 2005 at the age of 29.
Leitner is presently working as a lawyer in Cravath, Swain and Moore law, a major New York-based law firm.
He graduated cum laude from Harvard Law School in 2007, interned in the Tokyo branch of Baker and Mckenzie during his school years, and served the renowned Harvard Journal of Law and Technology as chief editor.
The young prodigy took an interest in Korea and its legal system, as well as its culture and history, during his intern years in Tokyo, according to SNU officials.
In addition to attending Korean law classes, he also wrote a paper on the copyright dispute resolution of Korea and Japan, analyzing each country's trend in a historic and cultural perspective.
"After studying Japan and Korea closely, Leitner was fascinated by the dynamic aspects of Korea in financial, commercial and other economic fields," said professor Jong Sang-jo, vice dean for academic affairs. "This is why he applied for the job."
Leitner will be teaching U.S. law, corporate law and copyright law. The new professor is expected to join the SNU faculty in a short time, after his law firm contract ends.
By Bae Hyun-jung
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2009.01.20 |
He should have some real life experience practicing law too. That would really be best for a law professor. I knew someone who did this before, but he had 10 years on this dude and worked in some corporate offices on the west coast for a time and a couple of law firms briefly too. Wasn't solely academic. He worked in Seoul but they wouldn't give him tenure. So, he went to the country and got tenure at a smaller less prestigious university. He made 7 million a month as an entrant. After publishing some papers and becoming another level he got another raise, he moved up. If he had of kept moving up the scale, instead of eventually going back home, he would have been well over 10 million a month. He was originally married to a Korean woman who dragged him to Korea. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
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| Some SNU professors point out the university has been negligent in a screening system to recruit quality professors and only focused on attracting as many foreign professors as possible. |
Or, perhaps, attracting ones that will capture headlines due to their age.
Anyone see a trend in this? Konkuk was bragging over the age card, and now SNU?
Nothing against the young ones -- they'll get there some day -- but they don't exactly bring much life experience to the table. That is what often makes the difference between a so-so professor and a great one. |
Yeah, well you should see the legal system. To become a judge, you take an exam right out of law school here. So, you're 27 or 28 years old and a judge. No legal experience whatsoever. After many years, some quit and go into private practice to make money and some do stay. If a prosecutor is an ajossi, you do what your ajossi says. Hence the 99% convitcion rate.
Lawyers were also far and few in between so they were very expensive. Now there are tons of more law student graduates, which will eventually flood the market and drive the cost down. Heard something about Korea looking into experience for judges at some point. Whether it's just talk and amounts to something, it's hard to say. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| happiness wrote: |
| zappadelta wrote: |
| He's gonna have some sex. |
hell yeah he is, good bank, good job, probably a snappy dresser, young...
hell yeah he is |
Well, he can do that in the west. He doesn't need to come over and do it here.
But, I just realized this was first posted in 2009. My friend would have been teaching back then. Think Unis in Seoul were giving one year renewable contracts but tenure only for the Koreans. But, Seoul unis perhaps don't treat foreigners with as much respect? Anyways, is this guy still here or has he moved on? |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| happiness wrote: |
| zappadelta wrote: |
| He's gonna have some sex. |
hell yeah he is, good bank, good job, probably a snappy dresser, young...
hell yeah he is |
Well, he can do that in the west. He doesn't need to come over and do it here.
But, I just realized this was first posted in 2009. My friend would have been teaching back then. Think Unis in Seoul were giving one year renewable contracts but tenure only for the Koreans. But, Seoul unis perhaps don't treat foreigners with as much respect? Anyways, is this guy still here or has he moved on? |
When I saw that it was from 2009, a quick google search seemed to show that he was back in New York. Though his linkedin profile, or whatever it was I saw, does mention his time here in Korea. |
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Feebie
Joined: 16 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| actionjackson wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| happiness wrote: |
| zappadelta wrote: |
| He's gonna have some sex. |
hell yeah he is, good bank, good job, probably a snappy dresser, young...
hell yeah he is |
Well, he can do that in the west. He doesn't need to come over and do it here.
But, I just realized this was first posted in 2009. My friend would have been teaching back then. Think Unis in Seoul were giving one year renewable contracts but tenure only for the Koreans. But, Seoul unis perhaps don't treat foreigners with as much respect? Anyways, is this guy still here or has he moved on? |
When I saw that it was from 2009, a quick google search seemed to show that he was back in New York. Though his linkedin profile, or whatever it was I saw, does mention his time here in Korea. |
Just looked on LinkedIn and he is still at Seoul National. Al the info on his profile fits that given here. |
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oatmeal
Joined: 26 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Really? Who cares? This is Korea. They could hire any english speaking high school graduate to become a teacher in korea, and same with a university graduate could easily come to Korea and be a professor.
I remember when korea used to hire anyone back in the day if they had blonde hair and blue eyes off the streets and 17 year olds could be teachers teaching english.
Of course now that loophole has been closed and it's not as easy to get a teaching job hehe.
The funniest thing of all is do you remember when you felt like you were the smartest person in the whole korean school just because you knew how to speak fluently in english while even the principals seemed like elementary level to you? There's that dangerous sort of feeling that english teachers can get high on in korea because they experience the illusion that they are the brightest and smartest since all the other teachers speak like little children in english or none at all and you have this sense of "power" over them as you can command the language they can't. But in reality, they are 10x more qualified and trained than us, just in another language and culture. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| oatmeal wrote: |
Really? Who cares? This is Korea. They could hire any english speaking high school graduate to become a teacher in korea, and same with a university graduate could easily come to Korea and be a professor.
I remember when korea used to hire anyone back in the day if they had blonde hair and blue eyes off the streets and 17 year olds could be teachers teaching english.
Of course now that loophole has been closed and it's not as easy to get a teaching job hehe.
The funniest thing of all is do you remember when you felt like you were the smartest person in the whole korean school just because you knew how to speak fluently in english while even the principals seemed like elementary level to you? There's that dangerous sort of feeling that english teachers can get high on in korea because they experience the illusion that they are the brightest and smartest since all the other teachers speak like little children in english or none at all and you have this sense of "power" over them as you can command the language they can't. But in reality, they are 10x more qualified and trained than us, just in another language and culture. |
I don't know if I would goes as far as saying they are 10x more qualified than us. I've met a few people here with Masters and Ph.Ds and teaching licensure who have previous experience teaching in public schools and universities.
Go troll somewhere else. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| oatmeal wrote: |
Really? Who cares? This is Korea. They could hire any english speaking high school graduate to become a teacher in korea, and same with a university graduate could easily come to Korea and be a professor.
I remember when korea used to hire anyone back in the day if they had blonde hair and blue eyes off the streets and 17 year olds could be teachers teaching english.
Of course now that loophole has been closed and it's not as easy to get a teaching job hehe.
The funniest thing of all is do you remember when you felt like you were the smartest person in the whole korean school just because you knew how to speak fluently in english while even the principals seemed like elementary level to you? There's that dangerous sort of feeling that english teachers can get high on in korea because they experience the illusion that they are the brightest and smartest since all the other teachers speak like little children in english or none at all and you have this sense of "power" over them as you can command the language they can't. But in reality, they are 10x more qualified and trained than us, just in another language and culture. |
People here are good at memorizing and regurgitating for exams to get certain jobs. But, once they get into it are lost like sheep wondering through fields without a fence. Without structure, creativity, and the ability to be independant, it sets some educated folk at a disadvantaged. I often have Koreans in wow of me because I can create things and invent ideas out of thin air. (I was an average student with some high grades - A's and B's mixed in.) Teachers often ask for my lessons or some of my power points when they are teaching a class of their own as they are often lost without their textbooks.
Making lessons, activities, etc. Average marks often = high creativity. Straight A students, great at memorizing, but often unable to be creative and think outside the box. In the west folks with average marks can get hired too, but often have to prove themselves over time in the job. In Korea, everything is so exam based that those with top marks and low creativity get hired. They know how to follow rules and never deviate from them. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| You do see creativity in Koreans too, but they aren't in the positions that matter. They are serving coffee or working at CU because society here has no place for them. |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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To get a phD and still end up in Korea haha wow.
Hope hes earning 6 figures.
It is fun to watch the transition though, from hardluck posting to appealing destination in 10 years time. Must be like Japan in the 1990s. I see western dudes dancing k pop, saw one guy with a hangul tattoo, stuff that was very rare even 5years ago. |
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bmaw01
Joined: 13 May 2013
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| zappadelta wrote: |
| He's gonna have some sex. |
Yes, adults do have sex. And your point?
I can always tell the guys who are sexuallt repressed online.
They think doing the naughty is such a great thing. Its OK, but its not life altering.
Stop watching pron! |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
To get a phD and still end up in Korea haha wow.
Hope hes earning 6 figures.
It is fun to watch the transition though, from hardluck posting to appealing destination in 10 years time. Must be like Japan in the 1990s. I see western dudes dancing k pop, saw one guy with a hangul tattoo, stuff that was very rare even 5years ago. |
Backhome, we call those guys flamers and posers. In the end someone usually takes their lunch money. |
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