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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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Some ppl wear KOREA on their sleeve.
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Boxing for one thing is commonly fixed everywhere from amateur on up.
As for the challenge, axeing smbdy tuh fnd judgen duren Mercuhn Lypmics cusin peoples to quit, git angry er cry. Well those would be IOC judges. It doesn't matter what country is hosting, they don't get to pick the judges.
As an aside,
What is worse is that the same disease is making its way into MMA and I for one am glad that Dana White -for all his issues with not paying/treating talent right- is handling the disease exactly as it should, he ridicules and embarrasses any judge who doesn't take his job seriously. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| In boxing nobody can deny victory if there is a knock out. That said the fighter should accept the judges decision. If they really feel cheated they should ask for a rematch. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Coltronator wrote: |
As for the challenge, axeing smbdy tuh fnd judgen duren Mercuhn Lypmics cusin peoples to quit, git angry er cry. Well those would be IOC judges. It doesn't matter what country is hosting, they don't get to pick the judges.
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I can't tell if the first part of this statement is a joke, another language or a series of typos, but in any case the IOC doesn't have judges. The sport federations, which are independent from the IOC, supply the judges. For example, FIFA chooses the refs for soccer games, etc. If a sport is deemed to have unprofessional/unreliable judging then the IOC may discuss eliminating it from the programme, as was part of the reason wrestling was temporarily removed last year. So sport federations have a vested interest in keeping their panels fair, at least at the Olympics.
Look also at figure skating. After 2002 the IOC halfheartedly threatened to take them out (although they never would as it's the biggest draw of the Winter Games after hockey, and one of the biggest draws of all sports, winter and summer). But the ISU changed the judging process and now everyone's happy because nothing bad ever happened in the sport again. The end.
Just kidding!
However, you're completely right that boxing has a very shady history and present. Many people, including boxing fans, want them to be taken out of the Olympics so they'll hopefully learn a lesson and clean up their act. But boxing has very powerful friends, so it's not likely to happen.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out that judges aren't affiliated with the Olympics or the Asian Games or whatever. They are employed by the sporting federation, which is usually a small network, sometimes dominated by a region or bloc. So these controversies aren't limited in scope to just one meet; deals and back scratching can be made over several events over years. When we're looking at how things like this take place, the media and fans often just look at these particular Asian Games, or those particular Olympics. But it goes so much deeper than that. |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:15 am Post subject: |
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How much respect would be given to a MMA fighter if he pulled a two-hour pout over a decision that went against him, especially after he was warned three times to stop cheating? At a sparring bout that shyte wouldn't be tolerated, let alone in front of the whole world.
And I'm not talking about judges, I'm talking about competitors. When cheating is ingrained in Little Leagues (which is what I was talking about, not US pros and college programs....where there's money there will always be cheating), then what are we promoting? When kids, coaches and curriculum push the "win any way" mentaility, what are the overall effects on sports culture? Or school culture? Or political culture? Don't know why we would bring up the sesspool that US pro sports has become when we're speaking about teaching our children. A kid who's taught that cheating is the only way to win....well, he just might grow up to falsify his cloning research and bring about cringe-worthy embarrassment to his country.
Have you really seen boxing matches so crooked that opponents would not step in the ring? Only at the '86 Asiad had I ever heard about such behavior. Not saying it hasn't happened elsewhere (have to add that for the less attentive, less biased readers).
Judges aren't picked by the host, but they sure can be swayed by the host, eh? Remember 2002 World Cup refs saying bluntly that they were afraid to blow the whistle against the Korean team for fear of repercussion....again, I'm sure a ref in, say, Colombia would feel the same, but that potential for weirdness may be reason for a selection committee to look elsewhere for a host. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
| Don't you think that when Korean skating officals vow that Korea will not be cheated when the games come to Pyongchang is a wee bit much? I hope you see it. |
When did they say this? You have a link?
And how will the Koreans be able to pull this off when a bulk of the judges are from Russia, and Eastern Europe. Koreans don't exactly have much pull in the world of figure skating. And who will be the lucky Korea figure skater who will be 'biased' into a gold. Yuna won't be competing, and there is no Korean teenager anywhere close to dominating the figure skating circuit. |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Just repeating what I read - don't know who'll be the lucky recipient of that tarnished medal; again, just repeating what I read. Remember, this same type of comment was made publicly by Korean boxing officials in LA in '84 - made a gold medalist of a kid who tried to turn pro but was entirely unsuccessful. The medal the kid took belonged to Roy Jones, Jr., one of the best pro fighters of the past century.
So, I don't know who's in line....the US said the same thing of the Korean threat in LA in '84....who do they have to challenge? That's not the point - when threats like that are made public, it might be time to nip things in the bud and look elsewhere for a host, don't you think? |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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This 'threat' may not have been the Korean(s) saying 'We're going to bribe judges and take skating gold' but rather that 'judges always favour the host country. Korea is hosting next, so they expect to be on the favourable end of judging.
Koreans don't cheat much more than anyone else, but they are huge poor sports when they lose and make they cockamamie stories about conspiracies. |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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Your right, it is the Federations acting as that sports Arm of the IOC. Then you made my point for me and well cool. Awesome post Mr. BlackCat.
And yes it was a joke.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| SR, you're from the US - have you seen such behavior during US games? I've seen US arrogance, bombs, questionable tactics, but anything remotely close to the above? Would you like to compete in such an atmosphere? Would you be in a hurry to attend Games where such shyte goes down? Don't you think that when Korean skating officals vow that Korea will not be cheated when the games come to Pyongchang is a wee bit much? I hope you see it. |
I've never heard of a Korean team having to have their medals stripped because of doping. I've never heard of any Korean figure skaters taking a baton to the knee of their competitor. And the US bribed its way into getting the Salt Lake City bid.
In the end, if things truly were as bad as you are making them out to be, there'd be no chance for Korea to get the games and they'd go to some other country instead. Korea's no paradise, but perhaps the things you are talking about are instead par for the course for their respective sports- boxing, wrestling, and figure skating and rather than targeting a country, you should go after the sports' governing bodies. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
| Just repeating what I read |
Where'd you read it? I want to see this source... |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| I havent even seen the fight, but after the 88 Roy Jones jr debacle, how can anyone trust an international boxing event on Korean soil? |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| And don't forget the World Series fixing Black Sox scandal of 1919... |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well...I was watching a bit of the basketball game last night, and from what I saw, the Korean players were basically committing homicide in terms of fouling, especially in the later moments.
The officials were either blind or bribed. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| trueblue wrote: |
Well...I was watching a bit of the basketball game last night, and from what I saw, the Korean players were basically committing homicide in terms of fouling, especially in the later moments.
The officials were either blind or bribed. |
Once I asked a guy who played a lot of basketball here, "How are Koreans at basketball?
His response: "Just like they are in life: dirty."
As far as officials not calling fouls... besides bribery, there could also be an intimidation factor going on, either direct or indirect.
Ex: At the '88 Olympics boxing tournaments, a ref got assaulted by the Korean coach for making a call he disagreed with, plus the players themselves would throw fits and stay in the ring in protest. Stuff like that sets a certain tone that refs might just instinctively avoid, intentionally or not. Just saying it's a potential factor too, especially on home soil. |
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