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Are we separate individuals?

 
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: Are we separate individuals? Reply with quote

Now, this question I'll say right away is not my own. I'm not that clever. I suppose it doesn't matter who said it first. I know this is not a philosophic place really. But then is this a philosophy question or just a real one?

It seems to me that we are put together, and a result. I find that hard to get around. This means something to me daily, to be honest. I'm not kidding. I know there's things to be done and so on, but the crazy behavior of humans and myself, seems to point to a self that is not of choice as much a result.

So, when you are the result of thousands of years of cultures, and your brain is older than we know, what is there to say?

It's I have to work to go on, and I have to try. The I that was given to me. Full of contradiction and confusion, that thinks he is a national thing.

Not only that, but that there is an I apart from thought, which has invented him.

We are not separate. You are your consciousness. It's not different except in trivial details from others. Then we go on and talk about culture and nation and continue to kill. We're a mess.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now, this question I'll say right away is not my own. I'm not that clever. I suppose it doesn't matter who said it first. I know this is not a philosophic place really. But then is this a philosophy question or just a real one?

It seems to me that we are put together, and a result. I find that hard to get around. This means something to me daily, to be honest. I'm not kidding. I know there's things to be done and so on, but the crazy behavior of humans and myself, seems to point to a self that is not of choice as much a result.

So, when you are the result of thousands of years of cultures, and your brain is older than we know, what is there to say?

It's I have to work to go on, and I have to try. The I that was given to me. Full of contradiction and confusion, that thinks he is a national thing.

Not only that, but that there is an I apart from thought, which has invented him.

We are not separate. You are your consciousness. It's not different except in trivial details from others. Then we go on and talk about culture and nation and continue to kill. We're a mess.


It sounds to me like you're planning a rape.

You do have a choice don't do it to him!
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Are we separate individuals? Reply with quote

joelove wrote:
So, when you are the result of thousands of years of cultures, and your brain is older than we know, what is there to say?


Yup, the Western way of thinking is that we are all separate individuals (egos) and are in control of everything (choice). Closer to reality is that we are the result of millions of years of evolution, and just operating on instinct -- not in control of much of anything. What results is what we were programmed to do, hardly a choice.
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EastisEast



Joined: 29 May 2014
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It sounds to me like you're planning a rape.

You do have a choice don't do it to him!


lol. 2 minute laugh !

We ARE individuals. Not bug-bits. We are made sepearate and unique and intelligent beings.

I also believe we exist beyond this physical world. I also believe there is a being that made all of this. There is a right and wrong. Everything DOES matter. We matter.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Are we separate individuals? Reply with quote

joelove wrote:

We are not separate. You are your consciousness. It's not different except in trivial details from others. Then we go on and talk about culture and nation and continue to kill. We're a mess.


You've been philosophizing on here a long time Joethanks.

If I were you i'd start reading. Theology, philosophy. Some great minds out there.. but not too many on daves.
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guavashake



Joined: 09 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six Degrees Of Separation
You've read the books,
You've watched the shows,
What's the best way no one knows, yeah,
Meditate, get hypnotized.
Anything to take from your mind.
But it won't go

You're doing all these things out of desperation,
Ohhh woah,
You're going through six degrees of separation.

You hit the drink, you take a toke.
Watch the past go up in smoke.
Fake a smile, yeah, lie and say that,
I'm better now than ever, and your life's okay
Well it's not. No
You're doing all these things out of desperation,
Ohhh woah,
You're going through six degrees of separation.

First, you think the worst is a broken heart
What's gonna kill you is the second part
And the third, is when your world splits down the middle
And fourth, you're gonna think that you fixed yourself
Fifth, you see them out with someone else
And the sixth, is when you admit that you may have messed up a little.

(No, no, there ain't no help, it's every man for himself)

You tell your friends, yeah, strangers too,
Anyone'll throw an arm around you, yeah
Tarot cards,
Gems and stones,
Believing all that shit is gonna heal your soul.
We'll it's not, no

You're only doing things out of desperation,
Ohhh woah,
You're goin' through six degrees of separation.

First, you think the worst is a broken heart
What's gonna kill you is the second part
And the third, Is when your world splits down the middle
And fourth, you're gonna think that you fixed yourself
Fifth, you see them out with someone else
And the sixth, is when you admit that you may have messed up a little.

No there's no starting over,
Without finding closure,
You'd take them back,
No hesitation,
That's when you know you've reached the sixth degree of separation

No there's no starting over,
Without finding closure,
You'd take them back,
No hesitation,
That's when you know you've reached the sixth Degree of separation

First, you think the worst is a broken heart
What's gonna kill you is the second part
And the third, Is when your world splits down the middle
And fourth, you're gonna think that you fixed yourself
Fifth, you see them out with someone else
And the sixth, is when you admit that you may have messed up a little.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some heavy philosophical stuff ... http://vedabase.net/sb/7/7/24/en1
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