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ampersandman
Joined: 01 Jun 2013
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:19 am Post subject: Dubious salary deductions. Unemployment insurance?! |
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First paycheck at my new job last week.
Two potential items of bs.
1). 11,000 won deducted for "unemployment insurance"! My boss even told me she doesn't understand why she has to make me pay for such a thing, as I'm not a Korean citizen, just an E-2 visa holder.
Do ANY of you have unemployment insurance as a deduction? I've never had this deduction at the other jobs I've had in Korea. I'm guessing my boss's tax accountant gave her some ridiculous misinformation, right?
Please, advice on how to persuade her to stop doing this BS deduction. I wouldn't have any idea about how to prove to her that she's wrong.
Also, 2).
Income tax deduction seems too high.
At my last job, salary averaged about 2.4 every month, and I would pay about 30,000 income tax, plus 3,000 for "city taxes" and about 4,000 for something called "long-term care insurance", whatever that was (sounds like bs too, but small enough that I bother about it).
At my new job the salary is 1.85 /month (due to very short hours, if you're wondering) but the deduction labelled "income tax" is 61,000. Wtf? Why am I now paying twice as much income tax as I was a couple months ago, if my salary is now 550,000 lower than it was at that time?
I'd be interested to hear how much tax other E-2 workers are paying relative to salary.
Thanks in advance. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Dubious salary deductions. Unemployment insurance?! |
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ampersandman wrote: |
At my new job the salary is 1.85 /month (due to very short hours, if you're wondering) but the deduction labelled "income tax" is 61,000. Wtf? Why am I now paying twice as much income tax as I was a couple months ago, if my salary is now 550,000 lower than it was at that time? |
3.3% of 1.85 million won is 61,050 won. Independent contractor rate? |
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ampersandman
Joined: 01 Jun 2013
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Dubious salary deductions. Unemployment insurance?! |
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Fox wrote: |
ampersandman wrote: |
At my new job the salary is 1.85 /month (due to very short hours, if you're wondering) but the deduction labelled "income tax" is 61,000. Wtf? Why am I now paying twice as much income tax as I was a couple months ago, if my salary is now 550,000 lower than it was at that time? |
3.3% of 1.85 million won is 61,050 won. Independent contractor rate? |
"Independent contractor rate"? No idea what you're talking about.
Is it 3.3% for all of us? OK. In that case I wonder why I was paying only 30,000 at my last job, then.
How about the first part of my post. "Unemployment insurance" for an E-2 visa holder? |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Dubious salary deductions. Unemployment insurance?! |
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ampersandman wrote: |
"Independent contractor rate"? No idea what you're talking about.
Is it 3.3% for all of us? |
No, it's for people whose employers are taking advantage of them. At least usually. E-2 visa holders are generally not independent contractors as I understand it, and you probably aren't either. What does your contract say about it?
ampersandman wrote: |
How about the first part of my post. "Unemployment insurance" for an E-2 visa holder? |
Most E-2 visa holders don't pay it. I'm an F visa holder and I still don't pay it, despite ostensibly being in a position to receive it. But I don't know the actual law.
As far as what you might be able to say to get your employer to change their conduct in this regard, I suspect your employer knows full well what they're doing and will not be making any alterations. |
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ampersandman
Joined: 01 Jun 2013
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Dubious salary deductions. Unemployment insurance?! |
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My contract doesn't say anything specific about tax rates. No I'm not an independent contractor, how could I be on an E-2 visa which is sponsored by my employer.
Ok, how much income tax are we supposed to pay? |
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Fox

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ampersandman
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. Something like that is what I was looking for.
Next thing is to find out what my boss thinks she's doing. I'd rather not think of her as being so low as to chisel away in this manner at my already small salary, but who knows.
edit: Now I'm just confused. After looking around it seems like many people think 3.3% is the correct rate. For example http://www.worknplay.co.kr/korea-information/taxes-and-deductions . But when I use that NTS tool it says I should pay only about 15,000, way less than 3.3%.
Two years working here and I've never looked into any of this until now.
Anyone else want to talk taxes on Saturday night...? |
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KimchiNinja

Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Dubious salary deductions. Unemployment insurance?! |
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ampersandman wrote: |
Do ANY of you have unemployment insurance as a deduction? |
Yeah, I had around 50K deducted each month. |
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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The only deductions you should have are:
Health insurance
Long term health insurance (usually under 10,000)
Pension
Income tax (around 2% of your salary)
Income tax 2 (10% of Income tax)
Anything else and they are probably taking out too much money from your pay. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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To clarify the issue a bit:
Those "employees" who are falsely listed as "independent contractors" have a fixed rate of 3.3% deducted.
Employees who are listed as employees pay according to the marginal income tables (the more you make the higher the percentage that you pay).
An employee earning less than 2 million should pay less than 20k won per month.
In BOTH cases you are required to file a tax return each year.
The employee is not likely to see any refund from their taxes.
The IC is, if they file appropriately, likely to get most of all of it back.
The problem is that most employees who are listed as IC's file as employees and effectively lose it all.
As a foreigner you are exempt from the "employment insurance" since you cannot collect it. Contact the local labor office for clarification. http://www.moel.go.kr/ .
There should also be contributions for NHIC (medical) and NPS (pension). If these are not there then you are being classed (illegally) by your employer as a subcontractor and will continue to be screwed for the rest of your contract. (bend over, lube not an option)
It is a fight it you cannot win --> If you win (or even file a complaint) you get fired. You lose.
IF you don't complain you continue to get screwed. You lose.
Lose-lose. pick one,
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ampersandman
Joined: 01 Jun 2013
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
To clarify the issue a bit:
Those "employees" who are falsely listed as "independent contractors" have a fixed rate of 3.3% deducted.
Employees who are listed as employees pay according to the marginal income tables (the more you make the higher the percentage that you pay).
An employee earning less than 2 million should pay less than 20k won per month.
In BOTH cases you are required to file a tax return each year.
The employee is not likely to see any refund from their taxes.
The IC is, if they file appropriately, likely to get most of all of it back.
The problem is that most employees who are listed as IC's file as employees and effectively lose it all.
As a foreigner you are exempt from the "employment insurance" since you cannot collect it. Contact the local labor office for clarification. http://www.moel.go.kr/ .
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Ah, very very useful information, thank you.
Fortunately I'm enrolled in the NHI and NPS. But paying the wrong income tax and wrongly enrolled in unemployment insurance.
Would anyone who's fluent in Korean be able to copy and paste something from one of those websites, for me to print and show my boss...? (she might take it more seriously if it's in Korean) |
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KimchiNinja

Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
As a foreigner you are exempt from the "employment insurance" since you cannot collect it. |
This part didn't make sense to me. I'm pretty sure when I looked into it awhile back, that I could collect it. Perhaps it depends on one's visa type. |
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Feebie
Joined: 16 Nov 2013
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:29 am Post subject: |
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KimchiNinja wrote: |
ttompatz wrote: |
As a foreigner you are exempt from the "employment insurance" since you cannot collect it. |
This part didn't make sense to me. I'm pretty sure when I looked into it awhile back, that I could collect it. Perhaps it depends on one's visa type. |
Someone told me it may be possible now if you have that job seeking visa (D10?) but prior to there's be no point n an E2 visa holder paying into a scheme they can't benefit from. (As in if you can't hang around with no (work related) visa.)
I have never had a problem getting my tax refund. First job (hagwon) did it automatically, PS - no tax paid, following places have had to fill in the paperwork myself.
One way to approach your (possibly dodgy) boss is to visit the tax office and get the info you need. Presenting it to your boss in a 'tax rules are so confusing for everyone ...' way offers a face saving option. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Public school - local ed office does the taxes. I always have to top it up a bit every February. But, fed income taxes, prov income taxes, medical insurance, and pension payment always seem to come around the 9 or 10% range of my pay. Just slightly under 10 I guess. Think I paid a bit less when I first got here several years ago as some things (like housing) weren't taxed and maybe only 70% of your salary was taxed.
Still lower than Canada for my income bracket. If you factored in higher living cost in the Maritimes (would be more Toronto, Calgary, etc), higher taxes, overall life expenses, then my salary here (though lower than this amount) would be equivelent to the mid to upper 50's K per year. (After taxes and other higher expenses are factored in.) But, I make more than 2.1 million won.
Anyways, if you only have 60,000 deducted from a 2.1 or 2.2 million salary, something isn't adding up. Check to make sure your pension and medical insurance is being paid.
As I always say, never do the independant contractor unless you make 31,000 an hour or higher and are gauranteed a minimum number of hours. If you have experience and are any good, you should demand much more than this of course. If you don't get these conditions met, walk away. There's always someone dumb who doesn't do their homework that will take those offers. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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For the IC I suggest these wages so that you can pay your own taxes and all your own pension and health contributions along with what would be your employers. If you're here long term, the NPS may come after you for unpaid premiums into the future so you really don't want to have to cough up those fees. |
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